Pres Bush takes responsibility for Iraq war intelligence...
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CAnnoneer
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So, he took responsibility for invading Iraq, not for the wrong intelligence. No change in the official position.
Lone_Gunman
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Is this some revelation he has just had, or is he just stating what has been obvious for three years?
George, who did you think we thought was responsible for deciding to go into Iraq???
George, who did you think we thought was responsible for deciding to go into Iraq???
Well, most of the "intelligence" for this venture did come through the resources and assets of his senior partner in this venture - Comrade Blair.
But all this "taking responsibility" for one thing and another has become somewhat of a joke, as there are no pending consequences. Just another sideshow while the venture and business continues as usual.
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But all this "taking responsibility" for one thing and another has become somewhat of a joke, as there are no pending consequences. Just another sideshow while the venture and business continues as usual.
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NorthernExtreme
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I'm confused 
are his critics mad because he has or hasen't accepted responsibility? I'm having a hard time keeping up.
are his critics mad because he has or hasen't accepted responsibility? I'm having a hard time keeping up.mindpilot
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he should take the blame, it was him and maybe 50 other White house cronies that decided to put our boys in harms way. Why do you think Rumsfield is quitting in 2006, why do you think Colen Powel quit, why do you think John Ashcroft quit, why do you think Bilary is getting so popular, why do you think Exxon made 800 billion in profits last quarter....hmmmmm lets see.....Texas Oil Man for Prez= Profits even when hurricane shut production down hmmm......Oil for Blood....hmmmmm Open your eyes people. Its called common sense and integrity. George Bush is a puppet finishing his fathers work. I have never seen so many inteligent people that think this is all about terrorism. It has 5% to do with terrorism and 95% to do with intimidation in an area that the US doesnt CONTROL, Condolezza Rice will step down by 2007 I promise you that. The Halburton thing, Carl Rove, DeLay, the GOP has doomed itself for the next 10 years after 2008. Being a moderate I really dont sympathize with them at all.
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he should take the blame, it was him and maybe 50 other White house cronies that decided to put our boys in harms way. Why do you think Rumsfield is quitting in 2006, why do you think Colen Powel quit, why do you think John Ashcroft quit, why do you think Bilary is getting so popular, why do you think Exxon made 800 billion in profits last quarter....hmmmmm lets see.....Texas Oil Man for Prez= Profits even when hurricane shut production down hmmm......Oil for Blood....hmmmmm Open your eyes people. Its called common sense and integrity. George Bush is a puppet finishing his fathers work. I have never seen so many inteligent people that think this is all about terrorism. It has 5% to do with terrorism and 95% to do with intimidation in an area that the US doesnt CONTROL, Condolezza Rice will step down by 2007 I promise you that. The Halburton thing, Carl Rove, DeLay, the GOP has doomed itself for the next 10 years after 2008. Being a moderate I really dont sympathize with them at all.
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Camp David
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I am now awaiting Nancy Pelosi and Ralph Reid to take responsibility for being traitors.
NorthernExtreme
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Camp David said:
I hope you are not holding your breath for that one
GlenJ
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Only thing I can add to this is how they went after the American worker with a labor bill that wanted to do away with employers having to pay over time. Also wasn't Klinton highly critized by the GOP and there talking heads on the radio for sending troops into Haiti, bombing in Yugoslavia, and sending more troops into Somalia that the elder Bush started??? Hmmmmmmmm
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TexasRifleman
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NorthernExtreme said:I'm confused
They are mad because he has done what any commander should do, accept responsibility for everyone under his command.
This is something his opposition doesn't understand, "personal responsibility".
It's a very confusing idea to them and will give Howard Dean an aneurism.
They can't figure out why he isn't screaming about the "vast left wing conspiracy".
JohnBT
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"Being a moderate"
Okay, I'll bite...a moderate what?
John
Okay, I'll bite...a moderate what?
John
22-rimfire
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I think our president is doing exactly what needs to be done. He is taking responsibility for making the ultimate decision to eliminate the government of Iraq under Sadam Hussein. Intelligence? How can he take responsibility for something that was provided to him by the experts in the field. If you believe the pre-war Iraq officials, there were no WMDs. After all Dan Rather interviewed Sadam Hussein. Why would you believe them?
Things not going well in Iraq? Well they are holding elections today. Things seem to be moving toward the country being able to stand on its own again and have a moderate form of government.
Iran.... they say that they are building nuclear capabilities to generate electricity.... hmm... Why would they do that when they have some of the largest known oil reserves in the world? I guess, just because. Energy diversification. North Korea.... denial of nuclear capabilities until that magic moment when they announced to the world that they had a nuke..... sounds like Iran's strategy.
We did the right thing in Iraq and we should have started this war during the Clinton Administration. 9-11 just focused attention on what a small group of well funded terrorists or country can do.
Nation building... anyone who believes that the US does not participate in nation building is a idiot. Iraq is just the most visble effort since Germany and Japan.
As things are shaping up, the next big world conflict appears to be one based on religion. Back to the crusades.... If the Iraq experiment works, it will change the face of the Middle East in 50 years and help to defuse radical elements from being in control in that part of the world. Iran won't last. Iran's people are pretty progressive from a western perspective. Iran will be a replay of Iraq within 10 years. (Just speculating.) Things change slowly, look at China... world power in 25 years? Some would say they are currently a world power economically. They want to put a person on the moon.... that is a symbol of "we arrived".
The president is doing exactly what needed to be done in Iraq. The military runs their own operations in Iraq. The president provides leadership and objectives and should not be involved with the little day to day details. Now the president is finally defending his policies and selling the American people that the reasons are (were) real and the objectives are achievable.
Things not going well in Iraq? Well they are holding elections today. Things seem to be moving toward the country being able to stand on its own again and have a moderate form of government.
Iran.... they say that they are building nuclear capabilities to generate electricity.... hmm... Why would they do that when they have some of the largest known oil reserves in the world? I guess, just because. Energy diversification. North Korea.... denial of nuclear capabilities until that magic moment when they announced to the world that they had a nuke..... sounds like Iran's strategy.
We did the right thing in Iraq and we should have started this war during the Clinton Administration. 9-11 just focused attention on what a small group of well funded terrorists or country can do.
Nation building... anyone who believes that the US does not participate in nation building is a idiot. Iraq is just the most visble effort since Germany and Japan.
As things are shaping up, the next big world conflict appears to be one based on religion. Back to the crusades.... If the Iraq experiment works, it will change the face of the Middle East in 50 years and help to defuse radical elements from being in control in that part of the world. Iran won't last. Iran's people are pretty progressive from a western perspective. Iran will be a replay of Iraq within 10 years. (Just speculating.) Things change slowly, look at China... world power in 25 years? Some would say they are currently a world power economically. They want to put a person on the moon.... that is a symbol of "we arrived".
The president is doing exactly what needed to be done in Iraq. The military runs their own operations in Iraq. The president provides leadership and objectives and should not be involved with the little day to day details. Now the president is finally defending his policies and selling the American people that the reasons are (were) real and the objectives are achievable.
TexasRifleman
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JohnBT said:
"Satire is a sort of glass, wherein beholders do generally discover everybody's face but their own"--Jonathan Swift
ReadyontheRight
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Most of his critics are mad because he is President and their party is out of power.
Other than stop breathing, do you think there is anything Pres. Bush could do that would generate anything other than criticism from the left?
CAnnoneer
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TexasSIGman said:
If you read GWB's speech, you will discover that actually, he did not take responsibility for the faulty intelligence.
Several of you guys are so far someplace that anyone looks to you like a leftist. By your logic, anyone who equally despises the Neo-cons and the leftists among the Dems, is exactly where in the political spectrum?
Funny thing is, no matter how much you defend GWB & co., their friends make the big $$$ on oil speculation and rebuilding Iraq on commission, while you paid $3 a gallon at the pump. Unless you partook in that bounty by playing on Wall Street or working for the respective companies, it looks like you have been had.
JohnBT
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"Satire is a sort of glass, wherein beholders do generally discover everybody's face but their own"--Jonathan Swift
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ReadyontheRight
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Wouldn't the fat cats lighting cigars with $100 bills and laughing at the rest of us over their brandy snifters behind closed doors at the White House in your scenario have made a boatload more money if they had just convinced GWB to play ball with Saddam Hussein?
CAnnoneer
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ReadyontheRight said:
Great! Please explain how they would make more money that way?
The biggest, fattest, most defenseless pork-cashcow is the US treasury. The fat cats know that. That's why they have their arms shoulder-deep into it. First you bomb a nation's infrastructure into the stone age, then you give non-competitive gov contracts to your friends to rebuild it and to supply a large ground force for years. Tie the companies' profits by a flat percentage to spent material, and see the rampant wastage.
But, it's all good. If there weren't peasants to support their masters, there wouldn't be masters. I bet the porkers would just laugh their fat butts off reading the staunch defense mounted in their name.
Lone_Gunman
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I am confused by that statement also. We have spent well over 200 Billion dollars in the Iraq War, with no end in sight. Thats a lot of money that the "fat cats" wouldn't have made otherwise.
Each taxpayer in the US has spent a couple of thousands dollars now on the chance of creating a democratic nation in Iraq. So much for the Bush tax cuts.
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