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I've owned both. The Lee turret is an excellent press except for the indexing system, which is a pain. I only shoot handgun, about 400rds a week, and the Lee could keep up with me, requiring very little setup time but a lot of handle pulling (4 times per round). The LnL is a much higher quality piece of equipment, much faster, but requires a much larger financial investment. Remember that for each caliber you need dies, shellplate and bushings. Count on $80 per caliber on top of the cost of the press. Then there are all the extras you'd like to have... I'd buy the Lee. If you don't like it, you can always sell it and get a LnL.
 
On Hornady web site:
Buy a Lock-N-Load AP, and get your first 1000 bullets free! (Up to $322 Value!)
Hornady lists 13 bullets to choose from and they must all be the same. Those you would be interested in are:
0.277_ 130gr SP _ Hdy Retail $289.40 _____ value at Midway Price $209.90
0.308_ 150gr SP _ Hdy Retail $297.30 _____ value at Midway Price $219.90
9mm _ 115grHP/XTP_Hdy Retail $213.10 ___ value at Midway Price $149.90
.357 _ 125grHP/XTP_Hdy Retail $216.50 ___ value at Midway Price $149.90
The actual price from Midway will be a lot higher because of shipping, their shipping charges are very high now.

So my statement
the end result of the price of the LNL minus the cost of the bullets yields a cost of under $100 for the LNL.
was bogus. Adjusted cost of the LNL will be around $380 - $220 = under $160 and perhaps a lot less if shipping costs are factored in.
 
I have both the LNL and a 550, and load on a friends 650. I prefer the LNL for the following reasons.

Quick caliber changeover is much faster and a fraction of the cost of a Dillon.

The old technology slide powder measure of the Dillon is it's weak point. Like others, after over 48 years of loading, I have accumulated 3 other powder measures besides the Dillon, on which I base my comments. As time and #'s loaded increased, the dillon slide began to leak ball powders, and accuracy with some flake powders, even with anti-bridging funnel was never good.

The LNL powder measure on the bushing is removed with the flick of the wrist, powder can be dumped and repeatabley accurate load volumes can be dialed in taking less than 15-30 seconds. Since I load for over 15 handguns and 2 semi-auto rifles on my progressives, thi$ i$ a con$idereable $avings in time and money.

In working up loads, where you need to remove all but one die to work like a single stage, it takes about 5 seconds to remove and reinstall on the LNL. It can’t be done quickly or easily on the Dillons.

Used primer disposal on the LNL is thru the plate into a tube, out the bottom into the trash. This prevents spent primers from rolling around and spent primer compound from gumming up the mechanisms like it can do on the Dillons

The LNL is much beefier and it also produces cartridges with a great deal less run out. The friend who has a 650 challenged this and we did a long process of measuring run out on 4 different chamberings using the same dies sets his Rockchucker and 650, and my 550, and LNL. The LNL produced measurably better cartridges. Because of this accuracy, I rarely load ammo on my single stage press’s.

My friend with the 650 is a dyed in the wool Dillon man. A while back he sheepishly told me his wife had given him permission to get the LNL, because of the economics of the free bullets.:what: I asked him, "Are you a man or a mouse, k'mon squeek up!" Hope the wife never reads this.:evil:
 
RP2000,

I am kinda in the same boat as you. I am looking at both of these as well.
I am looking at buying a new press for my Dad. His old one has about had it. There was a thread not too long ago in which some people felt that 95% of reloaders would be fine with a single stage and a Lee Classic Turret.

The offer of the Hornady LNL is also very cool. And since you can upgrade the press to use a auto shell feeder, Hmmm...

Thing is, my Dad is a simple man and he likes the simplicity of single stage and not having to mess with anything, including setup. Changing dies, primer systems, ect.

So for that, I am leaning towards the LEE Classic Turret.

You on the other hand may not care about the extra few minutes of changing calibers and primer system.

Me personally, from what I have seen on this thread, I think you should go with the Hornady and be done with it.

Cheers, Mate and let us know what you choose.
 
LGB: I still own every loader I've purchased.
I hear ya on that one, Mate.
I am in the market for a surprise for my Dad. I am thinking LEE classic turret for him since he doesn't like complicated tools (All he has ever owned is a couple of single stage) but he knows my 550b too so I thought I might ask.

Cheers...
 
I've heard "strippers" make even a better surprise than "stripers", unless you're fishing.
 
Shoney:

I was too busy laughing to respond before Bush did.

I know what you meant, Mate. Now excuse me while I laugh a bit more pondering that scenario.

Cheers...
 
I'm a fan of the Lee Turret. It's great to learn on, and lets you focus on one step at a time. My buddy has one and he loads everything on it.

Of the choices you listed, +1 Lee.
 
lgbloader: As a good son, you need to add your mothers health issues into "pondering that scenario". I am confident that the "stripper" will cure her constipation.
 
I need to find somebody local that has a L-n-L so I can see the caliber changes that are so incredibly much faster than my 550.

I would think that swapping shell plates would take about the same amount of time. Screw a bolt out and screw another in with either one.

I slide complete tool heads in, so I'm thinking that swapping dies and the powder measure would be faster on the Dillon than the Hornady. Takes me maybe 10-15 seconds to slide one out and slide the other in.

My Dillon primer mechanism must be defective. I've never had a problem with the spent primers rolling around and/or gumming up. They just fall down the chute and into the spent primer catch.

If I take my time, I can swap calibers in less than 2 minutes without a primer change. I'd love to see the Hornady set up that takes a few seconds. I'm always ready to learn and be amazed.
 
Wow thanks for all of the replies, I will be reloading 200 rounds a week for each, I really don't have a budget. So money is not an Issue,

If money is no object, buy one of each.
 
I need to find somebody local that has a L-n-L so I can see the caliber changes that are so incredibly much faster than my 550.

I would think that swapping shell plates would take about the same amount of time. Screw a bolt out and screw another in with either one.

I have a LNL-AP press. I like it. I don't use it very often because I hate changing it over. The dies and shellplates change quickly enough, but the powder measure and its auto-drop linkage are a PITA to adjust. I know I could buy multiple powder inserts for the one measure, but you still have to adjust the linkage, and maybe take it completely apart to change over from the pistol drum to the rifle drum (for loading .45 Colts, etc.) And I really doubt this is a Hornady thing.

Do other users of progressive presses (I don't care what color) buy multiple powder measures and linkages?
 
I use the Lee Auto-Disk Powder Measures for all my pistol rounds, one for each caliber. The measures are attached to the dies, so they change with each turret and caliber, in a matter of seconds. No adjusting, the measures are each set for a particular load and powder. At $25 or so each (or less) I add one each time I buy dies for a new caliber.

Hope this helps.

Papajohn
 
Check out this guy's videos

http://www.youtube.com/user/gavintoobe

It'll give you a pretty good idea about LNL presses. The second link in my signature is a best (ahem, if I do say so myself) place for Lee Load Master videos.

Seriously, if you don't use the case feeder or inserter (like me) it is very easy to change calibers on a Load Master. Just have a separate turret with dies and powder measure for each caliber, you can literally change calibers in a minute or two.
 
I bought an LNL and sold my 550, because the LNL was that much better. The super high cost of Dillon conversions is an obscene turn off. I have 15 die sets to convert. However, if we were to figure the cost of only 5 quick change conversions:

Costs are from Graphs today
550 - Quick Changeover (Toolhead, Powder Measure, Powder Die, Toolhead Stand.$90 ea) and Caliber Conversion Kit (Shellplate, powder funnel, and locator buttons; $45)

650 - Quick Changeover (Toolhead, TH Stand and Powder Measure
$95 ea) and Caliber Conversion Kit (Shellplate, locator buttons, powder funnel; $73)

LNL - Shellplate $30 – 2 Die bushings $7.40 (10 pack of QC bushings $37 ea no powder measure necessary)

550- Total $131 x 5 = $655
650- Total $167 x 5 = $835
LNL - Total $38 x 5 = $190
 
lgbloader: As a good son, you need to add your mothers health issues into "pondering that scenario". I am confident that the "stripper" will cure her constipation.

Shoney, If my Mom walked in on a surprise like that, she would s**t Twinkies!!!
 
On my LnL I have a quick change mount and powder-thru expander for each caliber. There's no adjustment required after initial setup. I just drop the power measure in, attach the linkage and spring. Bingo. Only takes a few seconds.
 
I do the same as papajohn, I have a Auto Disc measure on each turret with
my dies on the cal. I want to load, I load for four handgun calibers, takes one sec to change over, and if I want to change the powder charge, it's no big deal, the measure is right on the turret head, I think the Lee Classic Cast turret is a great press for the money, and it doesn't cost a fortune for all the calibers, including dies ,measure and turret head.
Works for me, and I have been loading for 55 years.
Floydster
 
Zxcvybob, I have a LnL and decided that my time was more valuable pulling the handle than fiddling with the powder measure, etc... so I bought a lower powder assembly for each caliber (they're only 15.00 apiece online), and bought an extra LnL powder measure and case activated powder drop, and installed the pistol rotor in it... so now changes between high capacity case calibers and small capacity case calibers is a cinch. To minimize fiddling with the powder measure adjustments when changing loads, powders, calibers, etc., I purchased the Micrometer adjustment inserts for each measure, so I can now pretty much set it dead on without any fiddling... I just put the micrometer reading in my reloading notes for each load.

I also (today, in fact) gave in to the lust for a single stage press to do grunt work and load precision rifle rounds (getting ready to start loading for my .300 Wby) setup a bullet puller, etc... found the Hornady Classic Press (still has the "007" cast into the frame) on the shelf at my local Sportsmans Warehouse for 125.00 plus tax (and I'll be getting 100 bullets back, so it's more like it's just a bit over 100.00)... it's bolted to my bench right now... pretty beefy little press, and die changes will be fast with the LnL bushing system. Now for my X-Dies.... hopefully they'll hit the door sometime this week.
 
LGBLoader,

If your father is a fan of single stage presses, get him a Forster Co-Ax, IMHO the best designed, best built single stage press available. Easy snap-in, snap-out die changes, and the automatic shell holders work for a wide range of cartridges without swapping. They also offer a standard shell holder adapter for it, with which swapping shell holders is the same as any other press. It has peerless accuracy and strength, and perfect spent primer handling, and yet the simplicity of a single stage press he may prefer.

Andy
 
Hey Jake,

Thanks for the advice on the Forster, Mate. I agree, it is one cool press. However, my Dad already has a couple of single stage presses and I wanted to treat him to a press that will crank out rounds a bit faster. That's why I was looking at the Lee Classic Cast or maybe even the 550b. We live about a 0.10 of a mile away from each other so he usually comes over and loads on my Dillons (I have 1 XL650 set up for 9mm and 1 XL650 set up for 45acp and a 550b for 38/357, 44mag, and .223) when he wants some volume rounds. Maybe I should leave things the way the are so that we can have the special time together. After all, nobody is getting any younger. But I would still like to bless him with his own, you know what I mean?

Then again, maybe you have a point about another single stage, I killer single stage at that!

Thanks again, Mate.

Cheers
 
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