Prevalence of Asperger's Syndrome Among Gun Nuts

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Smells like treating a less-than-common personality style as a disorder. This must be convenient for those who believe that everyone should strive to be just like all of the other children...

I partly agree with that. I do think that many people are truly disabled mentally. However, I believe that sometimes people with personalities that are similiar, and normal, but milder, are thrown into the group, whether to be given special benefits, to make it easier for the parent (giving AD kids ritalin), or whatever.
 
I got a whopping 19. Which was a little higher than I expected actually. When I read the description I knew it didn't apply to me.

Much of psychology doesn't even have as much evidence backing it as astrology, it's much more of an "art" than a science. An observation one of my psych teachers pointed out to me.

I'd bet my astrological profile is a more accurate description of my personality than a psychiatrist could get after quizzing me for a couple hours. :)
 
RileyMc

31. Do I need medication, therapy, or both?

Therapy: go to the range at least weekly.

BTW, I got a 32. Nya, nya, nya, nya, nya! (You can tell that I've been missing my therapy sessions).
 
whoo... was I worried

I was thinking I was going for 40 when the questions all got simple for me to answer.

12

All the illegal stuff I smoked in my youth probably raised that number a bit.
 
Okay, it's fun to joke about a disorder that everybody may show symptoms of to some degree. Yes, it's very vague, almost anybody meets some of the critieria. That ceratinly doesn't mean it shouldnt' be in the DSM IV though. It warrants a bit of study, and for me, seems to provide a very handy check-list of things that I need to remind myself to "think through" a bit better.

Call me a hypochondriac if you wish, but there's a reason my parents took me to a shrink when I was 2 years old.

When I was 5 I was riding with my Grandpa and older cousin into town. My cousin saw somebody taking a hack saw to a lock on an ice machine at the gas station. When he asked my grandpa if that guy was sawing the lock open my grandpa replied, "No, he's sawing it closed." Take a guess how long it took me to figure out he was being sarcastic? Five minutes? No. An hour? No. A day? No.

About 6 years. The question would bubble up in my brain for YEARS to come trying to figure out how you'd use a hack saw to close a lock. Eventually I decided that since there was no possible way to do that, he was "fibbin'"

Is it a serious issue that I can't detect sarcasm like the majority of the population? Well, no, but it does cause some problems from time to time. As the years go by I get better at it. Consider how easy it is for you to detect sarcasm in written text on this board. Inflection is lost on me, it's all just text in my brain.

Its a bit... comforting I suppose... to know that there's a REASON why I get skittish when I make eye contact with people. I didn't know making eye contact was considered normal during conversation until I was 19. It takes a conscious effort for me to do it and get over that nervous feeling.

I 'tap' myself when I'm thinking. Wish I had known this was weird when growing up. I remember one time a math teacher thought I was freaking nuts -- tapping myself with my fist in the back of my head while taking a test. Helped me think better. Still does, I just make a point of not doing it when people are around. I still tap knuckes together or something like that though -- it's just less weird.

When you can find somebody's car in the parking lot and ID the correct one even though it's near the same make/model/color becuase your screwball brain memorized the license plate on a whim on a glance -- don't tell them that. Find something ELSE to tell them. It freaks people out. Walked into a small party once in college, on substances that will pretty much completely disable your brain, and when one of the guests went to order pizza and needed to ask the property owner the address I blurted it out. Sigh, don't do that -- everybody in the room thought I was a freak show.

I nearly HAVE to leave things in the same place all the time. It can take me 20 minutes to find my keys some mornings and I need to work on that. Do I forget where I put them? No. I -KNOW- I left them on the kitchen counter. I can look RIGHT AT THEM and not see them. But, because that spot of the counter is key-free 99% of the time my brain doesn't register it. My eyes see the keys, but my brain just thinks "random kitchen object." I sometimes have to put my hand ON the object to make sense of the situation. Also works to turn off the lights and hit things with a flashlight -- since this is WAY outside normal operating parameters everything gets examined.

What's my point?

Would have been nice if somebody spotted these symptoms (mild as they be -- and there's a lot more embarassing stuff I left out) back when I was 4-5 years old and gave my parents a checklist of "weird stuff your kid might do" so they could have worked with me with I was much more malleable.
 
I get skittish when I make eye contact with people....It takes a conscious effort for me to do it and get over that nervous feeling.
Uh, oh. :uhoh: I just started that behavior. I used to look everybody in the eye when I talked to them. But apparently I'm getting to look maniacal or something in my old age and I'm beginning to 'concern' people. So I stopped looking at them.

License plates: I always look at license plates first. That's how I identify the cars of people I know.

Putting things in the same place: Every time, all the time. Otherwise I forget them.
 
I got a 24...
What the heck does that mean?


This caught my attention, as I seem to have some of the characteristic qualities myself: weird thoroughgoing interests, trouble with the doo-dahs and with getting laid, a VERY strong desire to be left alone, being a mark for devious people, telling the truth when the best course is lying, being easily detected when I DO attempt a lie etc etc.


Orthonym - I can associate with some of the issues that you posted about. That doesn't mean that we are screwed up though.
Consider for a moment that maybe they are the ones who are screwed up.
Maybe we are the normal ones.

For instance, I will almost always tell the truth when I could just as easily lie. I will almost always take some sort of action when I could just as easily sit out of a situation and save myself greif.
I am in a situation right now where I am about to get myself a$$-deep in a problem that really isn't mine. I know that I "should just stay out of it" but I can't. Just can't see how it is OK to walk away from this particular situation and leave someone I kind of know (though this person is still mostly a stranger) in the middle of a potentially dangerous situation like this. This person doesn't even know that he is in this mess.
I just have a habit of looking at the worst possible outcome, then working backward, and then figuring out what to do to try to come out with the least harmful outcome.
In this situation, the worst case scenario is PRETTY BAD. I feel that I am morally obligated to get involved eventhough it will never directly affect me.
Most other people would sit this out.
I would bet that if the situation were reversed the person I am going to help wouldn't help me.
Doesn't matter at all.
I just can't see a way around it.

Any way you look at it, I have found that I am wired much differently from most the people that I know. My mind just doesn't work the same way. Some people are of that step-by-step frame of mind. I am not.
I have trouble concentrating on one problem for a long time. I just get bored. So I break up big problems into smaller problems so I can solve them in steps.
If you are giving me a lecture you had better get to the point because if you don't I will literally be watching a movie in my mind.
I will pick up an object from a table and play around with it because it helps occupy me when I am bored.
I am not to be trusted around levers, switches, or buttons without adult supervision.
I am generally pretty quick-witted and people know me for my sense of humor, but I don't "fit in" in a crowd eventhough the rest of the crowd will probably not see any reason that I wouldn't "fit in".
I don't fear death, fighting, snakes, spiders, or much of anything else but women scare the hell out of me.
I am usually cool in a really bad situation but I often over react during a menial problem.
I can pick up an item, put it down for a minute, and it will become hopelessly lost.





That makes me different and I don't think I would want to be any other way.
Just gotta work with what you got. ;)

And I ALWAYS make eye contact. When I talk to someone they always KNOW where I am coming from.
People who don't know me will say hi to me on the street or in stores because I make eye contact with them. I guess it makes them uncomfortable or something. I don't glare and I generally have sort of a mild smile because I am almost always laughing to myself about my next practical joke or something funny, but I think it just sort of intimidates some people.
 
For what it's worth, I know a guy who actually has it.

It's pretty damn obvious - the guy was (for example) unwilling to buy furniture, because he was too afraid to figure out how to put it in storage when/if he moved...

Like most disorders, just because you have a lot of similar traits to someone who has the disorder, doesn't mean that you do too.
 
Uh, oh. I just started that behavior. I used to look everybody in the eye when I talked to them. But apparently I'm getting to look maniacal or something in my old age and I'm beginning to 'concern' people. So I stopped looking at them.
Big difference there. You're looking away to appease them, which means you're aware that you make them awkward. I can't sense that at all. I look at foreheads and chins to give a false apperance, but looking somebody in the eyes, unless it's 1:1 and I really trust them, makes me skittish. If I try and stare somebody in the eyes while taking a drink of water/coffee my hands will be shaking. Depends on the "trust level" and thankfully I learned my forehead/chin trick before job interviews.

License plates: I always look at license plates first. That's how I identify the cars of people I know.
I don't look at them though, they just "pop" out if I look at a car. All it takes is a glimpse lasting a second or two if I pull out of a parking lot behind them and the gears start turning without any real though. Patterns pop out: PPC 799 ... 2 seconds later, Power PC 799mhz.. 'cuz the guy is a software engineer. Never tried, it's just THERE. 8AS G70 -- find a pattern in THAT one. Didn't even try, but I had one without thought.. .8AS looks like BAS and her last name started with a B and her first name started SA and G70.. well, G is the 7th letter of the alphabet with a remainder of 0. That one is 6 years old, and I'm not a stalker. I've got phone numbers of people in my head that I called 3-4 times before they moved out that on call years after they moved out of that place and after THEY forgot them.

Hell, I remember the license plate on the family car still... and that's been gone I think 16 years. When you move to a truck/van the plate changes. I don't remember what kind of car it was, what color, nothing, but that license plate is stuck in my head. 616 NHT. Why, on God's Green Earth, do I remember the license plate on the family car from when I was 8 years old?

Putting things in the same place: Every time, all the time. Otherwise I forget them.
Put them somewhere else tonight as an experiment... like on your coffee table. When you wake up, presuming that you remember they're on the coffee table, imagine having a 1/10 chance of finding them. Imagine looking at the coffee table, not seeing them, checking the kitchen, checking the table again, not seeing them, checking the bathroom, checking the table again, not seeing them, checking your pants from yesterday, checking the table, not seeing them, checking the phone table, checking the coffee table, not seeing them.

Imagine, some days, having to move EVERY SINGLE ITEM on that table by hand until you found your keys. DVD, lighter, box of ammo, pack of cards, ooops there's the keys! In plain sight the whole time, since there's only 6-7 things on there.

I'm not looking for a pity party or anything, certainly not. I've never been officially diagnosed with AS (it didn't "exist" the last time I went a shrink) nor do I want to be... but, I think it's fair to say that I do exhibit a number of said traits. I'm a mostly fully functioning human being with just enough of the AS traits to "feel the pain" I suppose and still get along with society relatively unnoticed.

Normal enough to know when I went weird (sometimes too late) but weird enough not to act normal sometimes.

Here's one for you regarding repetition and having to have things ALWAYS "just right":
I started running distances when I was 12-13. I did this build endurnace for wrestling, ended up actually running for sport shortly after that. When I started running for sport my father (has run more miles in races than I care to think about) clued in me in on something: underwear and socks are nothing but extra weight in a race. He's right. I followed his advice -- but I forgot to lace my shoes up nice and tight once when I was 14. You want to know what kind of blister you get after 3 miles of having a sloppy laced shoe on your foot? About 3" around. Lesson learned, "It laces it's shoes tight or it gets the blister!" A "normal" person would have laced up their shoes tight before races. I began ALWAYS doing that. Repitition == good to me. It's NOT conscious and I'm now 24, haven't run a road race in 2 years, but for about 6 years my friends have always chided me about how long it takes to get out the door. I'll spend 5 minutes tightening the laces on my shoes before we go out to a bar or something. Reptition. Comfort. I'd re-tie my shoes before a skydive out of habbit. I always did before a wrestling match or a race.

I now wear a slip-on shoe w/out laces because my frontlobes realized that I was acting like an IDIOT but the only way to really stop that behavior was to wear a shoe without laces.

Ponder this: After mounting a parachute, helmet, radio equipment, etc, getting ready to board a plane I'M RE-TYING MY SHOE TO MAKE SURE IT IS TIGHT! I know that's nuts, in hind sight, but it would have seriously worried me if I got a plane with a "sloppy" shoe. One would think I'd be double-checking my freaking parachute -- but I found comfort in tight shoes all the time. I'd double-check the rig AFTER the shoes. I did this week after week, not just a one time thing. Neurotic? Yeah.
 
Giga- I understand the difference with the eye contact thing. I'll try the experiment tonight (maybe- considering moving things around that I'll need fast in the morning makes me uncomfortable). Some of what you're describing sounds like an obsessive/compulsive disorder. I have experienced that to some degree from time to time and have worked to 'unlearn' much of it. Does your mind race most of the time, going from one thing to another? I've found that meditation techniques can effectively counter that, although they (for me) require a certain discipline that I'm not willing to use.
 
Some of what you're describing sounds like an obsessive/compulsive disorder. I have experienced that to some degree from time to time and have worked to 'unlearn' much of it.

OCD doesn't really fit me -- there isn't any history of that type of thing in the family either. With the (stupid) shoe thing if I had OCD I'd never be able to tolerate kicks without laces. Doesn't phase me at all to put them on, but I will still "pack" a can of chewing tobacco even if it is unopened. Repatiive, but not compulsive/obesssive.

Does your mind race most of the time, going from one thing to another? I've found that meditation techniques can effectively counter that, although they (for me) require a certain discipline that I'm not willing to use.
Race? Yes. One thought to another? No. I've typically got 3-5 things going on at once upstairs to some degree when I'm just "chilling" -- when I hunker down and think about something it goes to 1 - but I'm usually tapping myself in the head when that happens, or hand to hand tapping. I can carry on a conversation about work, at work, while still pondering my younger cousin's sexual life choices and the war in Iraq without missing a beat though. I don't flip channels -- I just have picture in picture in picture in picture :)

Frustrating as hell.

Imaging stacking up 3 TV's and tuning them to various news channels. Can you follow that? I probably would just naturally. I, personally, think this why AS becomes a problem/issue socially. There's too much information and the "flavor" gets left out. Your use of inflection is far less important than the structural integrity of the wall you're standing in front of.
 
I would be interested to see the MBTI preferences for some of the people who feel they have this or at least some symptoms of it.

Personally, I am the opposite.

I scored 8 on the test which seems to be low.

But I am very social, abstract and chaotic (as opposed to scheduled/organized).

Many of these people seem highly intelligent, but in a very focused way so they can see a lot of patterns, but they struggle with social nuance. Combined with the high need for structure and order is very interesting.

This is a decent and relatively easy test to begin to determine what personality modes you prefer.

http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/JTypes2.asp

Of course, we can all use any personality mode we want, but the "preference" as shown by the test is what we prefer to be when we are just being natural.

Not trying to get people to get too personal, if you don't feel like posting your results, feel free to PM me if you are open to discussion in this area.

Good thread.
 
I will always follow the same course no matter what.

When I am playing a video game that randomly creates dungeons. I can fight my way through it for an hour or more, die and restart in town, and head back through the dungeon and go strait to my corpse without making one wrong turn.

When I used to go out cruising on my motorcycle I would go on three hour rides. I would always end up in the exact spot, most of the route was back roads. I can not remember how to get there. I assume I leave my driveway and head to the end of the the street, but I do not know if I turn right or left, go on which if any highways or interstates to get part of the way there or anything.
 
"Why, on God's Green Earth, do I remember the license plate on the family car from when I was 8 years old?"

I dunno. Ours was AAA-222 up until 1954. :p

John
 
Pendragon said this: "This is a decent and relatively easy test to begin to determine what personality modes you prefer" and posted a link to yet another test.

Cool - another test - I would bet that a vast majority of voluntary test takers fall within one or two specific personality types these tests determine.

For example, according to Pendragon's test link, I am an ISTJ. I would bet nearly all the test respondents (voluntarily following the link provided) will share at least one (probably the Introverted and/or Thinking) characteristic revealed by the test.


Keith


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I've had a "retentive memory" for as long as I know. I remember things - trivia, numbers (but I'm not a math person - but I damn near maxed the college boards on verbal...), etc...

Sometimes it seems like I'm multitasking in so many directions that... well... And it can get hard to concentrate on repetitive stuff - I don't mind doing stuff like cutting grass, chopping wood, etc., but examining every cell on a spreadsheet for errors drives me nuts.
 
I have Aspergers in my family, although not by blood. I have a neice with very serious Aspergers and her father was never diagnosed, but it's obvious. The guy is completely obsessed with trains. Has hundreds of books, memorizes train schedules for cities he's never been to. When he goes on vacation he packs suitcases full of train books and hauls them with him. That is no joke.

My neice is totally incapable of functioning socially, although she is intelligent and goes to school. Emotion, nuance, sarcasm, social mores are all lost on her. Completely. She just doesn't understand how to relate to people on an emotional level. She could say the most insulting thing to a person in the middle of a party and have no idea why someone could be upset about it.

It's no joke. 'High-functioning Autism' is just about as perfect a description as you'll hear.

- Gabe (score: 25)
 
I don't flip channels -- I just have picture in picture in picture in picture
Until about 10 years ago, I thought in cartoons most of the time. Actual events and people were reduced to cartoons if that makes sense. In some respects, I was happier then.
 
The guy is completely obsessed with trains. Has hundreds of books, memorizes train schedules for cities he's never been to. When he goes on vacation he packs suitcases full of train books and hauls them with him. That is no joke.
Substitue 'guns' for 'trains'. How close does that come to most THR members? :p
 
Until about 10 years ago, I thought in cartoons most of the time

I've heard people say this before. What exactly do you mean by it? Do you visualize in animated sequences or do you mean something else?

Chris
 
With me, it used to be animated sequences, but in frames like in the newspaper 'funnies'. Characters may or may not have the caption bubbles above their heads, but I would always hear their voices. {{ :eek: maybe I shouldn't admit to that }}
 
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