Thernlund
Member
Wow.
-T.
Problems At The Range!!
- Thread starter mike7465
- Start date
- Status
Wow.
-T.
MaterDei, We don´t live in beatiful Texas USA. We live in peacefull, guess where. Somebody will never to break to our home. Take care with your guns and try to be happy.
There is here in Finland no reasons for selfdefence with guns. I understand, that it is to complicated for USA-citicens. I am sorry for yours circumstances.
There is here in Finland no reasons for selfdefence with guns. I understand, that it is to complicated for USA-citicens. I am sorry for yours circumstances.
Treo
member
What caliber for Troll?
03Shadowbob
Member
Can someone please translate this jibberish for me?
Cowboybootnut
Member
mike7465,
Write a letter to the range owners, then never go again as long as they don't tighten up on the range rules and enforce them.
Or move to Finland.
Write a letter to the range owners, then never go again as long as they don't tighten up on the range rules and enforce them.
Or move to Finland.
It's not necessarily jibberish. 
Remember that some things are relative and some things are not. I betcha Finland has a much more homogeneous society with less probelmatic situations where different races and cultures occasionally bump heads. There could be less class stratification too. And there could be less crime for the lack of these things in Finland. But we are not in Finland and sometimes the merits of a society are lost on those who would take advantantage and prey on others in that society....for no other reason, except that they can. There is also the startling acceptance of knowledge without experience, and this goes for Americans looking at other cultures without having lived there as much as it goes for the citizens of other states looking into the U.S. from their state-run media sources and thinking they have it all figured out about the Who and What America is.
A "melting pot" is what our society brings to the floor and when you open arms to strangers who act in accordance with our laws and who become upstanding members of our society it is great to see. It's nice when people try to become naturalized citizens of the USA because they want to be a member of our people and society because they see it with respect and admiration.
But with that said, I have known two people violently mugged (one of whom is my brother), two others stabbed. I have known a former co-worker's friend killed by gangsters who had the wrong address (this guy was on summer break and rented a house with buddies near his parents and was getting his masters in chemistry at UC Berkley at the time--- when he answered the door....). And my boss had another friend killed by gangsters whom he confronted while stealing his car stereo....and I know, wrong thing to do (if it's not worth dying for, it certainly isn't worth fighting for) but that is still no consolation to his family or friends. I also have buddy who works for homeland security as a biologist, former marine and CCW holder in Florida, who chased an armed intruder out of his home.
What I basically have to say is that, no---nothing to this point in time has ever occurred to me along these lines. And no, I don't wear camo pants or have an urge to play soldier. I like shooting and have competed, albeit poorly, in IDPA. I have taken several NRA sponsored pistol and shotgun classes, and have enjoyed them for the insight that they bring to safely using and handling guns. But along with this notion of nothing bad happening to me, I do have insurance on our cars, renter's insurance, and an emergency/earthquake/disaster kit for both my wife and myself along with extra water and all the goodies.
The reason being, though one can hope for a utopian society and no civil unrest...ever...and consider yourself safe in your surroundings, it doesn't take much for some knucklehead---or a group of knuckleheads (even sans guns)--- to ruin your "safe world" mantra. And if left to defend my family with nothing more than a rolled up newspaper, I might partially be able to blame government...but myself more so for my lack of responsible forethought and safe practice with legal arms, especially with regards to an implacable awareness that most victims out there thought they were safe too, up until utopia takes a running dive from forty stories up and hits the cement.
BTW, sorry for the rant and thread hijack....just answering the jibberish question to Shadowbob..
Remember that some things are relative and some things are not. I betcha Finland has a much more homogeneous society with less probelmatic situations where different races and cultures occasionally bump heads. There could be less class stratification too. And there could be less crime for the lack of these things in Finland. But we are not in Finland and sometimes the merits of a society are lost on those who would take advantantage and prey on others in that society....for no other reason, except that they can. There is also the startling acceptance of knowledge without experience, and this goes for Americans looking at other cultures without having lived there as much as it goes for the citizens of other states looking into the U.S. from their state-run media sources and thinking they have it all figured out about the Who and What America is.A "melting pot" is what our society brings to the floor and when you open arms to strangers who act in accordance with our laws and who become upstanding members of our society it is great to see. It's nice when people try to become naturalized citizens of the USA because they want to be a member of our people and society because they see it with respect and admiration.
But with that said, I have known two people violently mugged (one of whom is my brother), two others stabbed. I have known a former co-worker's friend killed by gangsters who had the wrong address (this guy was on summer break and rented a house with buddies near his parents and was getting his masters in chemistry at UC Berkley at the time--- when he answered the door....). And my boss had another friend killed by gangsters whom he confronted while stealing his car stereo....and I know, wrong thing to do (if it's not worth dying for, it certainly isn't worth fighting for) but that is still no consolation to his family or friends. I also have buddy who works for homeland security as a biologist, former marine and CCW holder in Florida, who chased an armed intruder out of his home.
What I basically have to say is that, no---nothing to this point in time has ever occurred to me along these lines. And no, I don't wear camo pants or have an urge to play soldier. I like shooting and have competed, albeit poorly, in IDPA. I have taken several NRA sponsored pistol and shotgun classes, and have enjoyed them for the insight that they bring to safely using and handling guns. But along with this notion of nothing bad happening to me, I do have insurance on our cars, renter's insurance, and an emergency/earthquake/disaster kit for both my wife and myself along with extra water and all the goodies.
The reason being, though one can hope for a utopian society and no civil unrest...ever...and consider yourself safe in your surroundings, it doesn't take much for some knucklehead---or a group of knuckleheads (even sans guns)--- to ruin your "safe world" mantra. And if left to defend my family with nothing more than a rolled up newspaper, I might partially be able to blame government...but myself more so for my lack of responsible forethought and safe practice with legal arms, especially with regards to an implacable awareness that most victims out there thought they were safe too, up until utopia takes a running dive from forty stories up and hits the cement.
BTW, sorry for the rant and thread hijack....just answering the jibberish question to Shadowbob..
Virginian
Member
Commercial Range - go home, make sure you are cooled off, and call and talk to the OWNER. 99% of the time this will get results in my experience. If someone gets shot and anyone can show his people's behavior as a causitive factor, it's his butt in a jam, and he knows it. If that doesn't work, go to another range and tell the owner this.
Club range - I am going to walk right up and if things get worse they are going to get worse, because I know all the range and club officers are 100% behind proper and safe range behavior.
Club range - I am going to walk right up and if things get worse they are going to get worse, because I know all the range and club officers are 100% behind proper and safe range behavior.
Thernlund
Member
Even one, ONE, violent crime is plenty of reason.KI.W. said:
For your perusal...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Finland
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Bodom_murders
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heino_murders
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jokela_school_shooting
-T.
Stephen A. Camp
Moderator In Memoriam
- Joined
- Dec 24, 2002
- Messages
- 2,430
The title of the original post was "Problems At The Range!!" This thread has drifted quite a distance and is not at THR standards.
- Status