Proposed $4MM Anti-Gun Boondoggle Will Dig NJ Even Deeper.

[Sam Adams]

...and just stay the hell out. Your gone? then be gone!

You have the right to your opinion. However, I attacked the corruption and paternalistic attitude of the state government and the idiotic anti-gun liberalism of the NYC people that have moved in and screwed up the place I grew up in - I did not attack you personally.

As for not recommending that people move to NJ, why would any honest person do so? Compared to most states, NJ has a higher cost of living, higher taxes, more crowded highways, more pollution (though not in the southern half or the northwest - only within about 25 miles of NYC), more crime and some of the crappiest gun laws in the country (though there are a couple of worse places). NJ isn't what it was when I grew up - that's a fact. That it is slipping down the slope to being a liberal utopia (i.e. a high tax, high crime, anti-gun paternalistic rathole) at an ever-increasing rate is also a fact. I, personally, don't like it, especially since my parents and lots of family and friends still live there, but facts are facts.

I mourn for the NJ that I knew, but it ceased to exist long ago. I know that there are many decent and hard-working people who live there - and there always will be. I'm sure that you're one of them. But that doesn't change the way things are, that NJ is basically a lost cause. Look at the people who represent the state, for crying out loud - are they, as a group, people that love liberty and trust the people? I'd say that they are something quite different.

Again, this post (and the last) are NOT a personal attack on you - try to respond to my arguments, or to show where my facts are wrong, rather than attacking me.

 

[Baron Holbach4]

As for the topic in this thread, this is definitely a case of SSDD. I didn't leave NJ because of guns, but I can assure you that the whole gun issue wasn't on the "reasons to stay in NJ" list. The government there is corrupt on every level, and the general theme for all government in the state is "we know what's best for you ignorant peasants, whom we will not allow to have guns if we can help it. Now pay your taxes and shut up." For crying out loud, you can't even pump your own gas - what, New Jerseyans are too stupid to do what people in 48 other states can do (Hawaii is the other uber-paternalistic state)?

I am not happy to write these words about the place I grew up, but again, facts are facts. The same anti-gun, pro-government liberals that screwed up NYC have moved to NJ and have proceeded to screw it up just about as badly. Regrettably, I would never recommend that anyone move to NJ, not unless they were in NYC.

Sam Adams, I am married to a Texan. We plan to retire in Texas.

 

[Kodiaz]

Minman you are probably in a worst spot than RKBA people in Cali. at least in Cali. the antis are mostly from L.A. and the other big cities but in New Jersey antis are all over the state.


Well good luck on your uphill battle my father and uncle are still there too. Heck my uncle thought shall issue had a chance this year.

He's here on vacation so I took him to a gun show he couldn't believe it tables and tables of AR's AK's high cap mags. "3/4 of this stuff is illegal in NJ" he would keep saying.


He even calls it the PRNJ now.

 

[Sam Adams]

MinMAN

Here's a link to a thread I started that had next to no responses.

I responded, just now. BTW, I didn't even criticize NJ in my post.

 

[Sam Adams]

Baron

Sam Adams, I am married to a Texan. We plan to retire in Texas.

Good for you. It is sure a better place than most in the NE, at least as far as taxes (we don't have one on income) and guns (you can own whatever you can pay for, and carry the smaller stuff concealed).

 

[Sam Adams]

Kodiaz

He's here on vacation so I took him to a gun show he couldn't believe it tables and tables of AR's AK's high cap mags. "3/4 of this stuff is illegal in NJ" he would keep saying.

He even calls it the PRNJ now.

I used to go to PA gunshows with a couple of friends, after the Florio AWB went into effect. I bought lots of verboten mags, hollow point ammo and even .30-'06 AP, and brought all of them back to the PRNJ. Oh, and we called it that more than 10 years ago, because we could see where things were headed. We also took some pictures at the "Welcome to Pennsylvania. America starts here." signs that so pi$$ed off Fuehrer Florio.

I breathed a big sigh of relief, and damned near gave my wife a heart attack, as we entered Delaware on the way to Texas. It was then that I informed her about all of my "illegal" magazines, and the 200 or so years in Rahway that I'd have gotten if the Gestapo, errrr, State Police had caught me with them.

Again, I mourn for my home state. I don't know if sanity and respect for the basic liberties of the individual will ever be restored there.

 

[MinMAN]

Sam Adams, Be aware that my family goes back to the eighteenth century here in the Great state of New Jersey. Many of my family members, including myself, fought in the name freedom from the past, to the present. It offends me, that every single thread of this nature, is commonly used as a platform to bash New Jersey. You can come up with a half a million reasons why New Jersey has a messed up government, with out true research as to the real why.

In short response: "Can't even pump my own gas". My friend, Insurance companies have a strong hold on New Jersey, thanks to the politicians who's corruption, work hand and hand with them. New Jersey is a wealthy state, especially for it's diminutive size. Anywhere there is money, there is corruption. It has little, or nothing to do with New York. With the exception of the wimp politicians who finally buckled under to the pressure from New York City's political influence, which convinced the wimp corrupt politicians some forty years ago to toughen the State of New Jersey's gun laws. The close proximity of the largest metropolis in the world, has always had a big crime problem, and HAS reached across our border.

 

[Art Eatman]

Yeah, New Jersey's changed a lot since my umpteenth great-uncle John Witherspoon signed a document which probably gives apoplexy to most NJ politicans: The Declaration of Independence...

Art

 

[asknight]

MinMAN, please cite your source for the following comment: "BaronDumas4, I know the way American history is taught in certain places south of the Mason Dixon line, is some what distorted."

I strongly disagree, thus my reason for calling upon your sources.

You can start with some of the THR members post.

So it's safe to assume that you have zero textbook references that point out a difference in the American History courses taught both above and below the Mason-Dixon line?

 

[Sam Adams]

MinMan

Thanks to your family for fighting for our freedom. As I said, I assume that you're one of the good ones - and acorns seldom fall far from the tree. Being offended or not is up to you, but don't be so offended that you miss the fact that it is the corrupt pols and the idiot liberals who've ruined the state, not you - and don't be so offended as to fail to realize that the rest of us understand this, as well.

On the corruption issue - yes, of course the existence of lots of money breeds more corruption - that's simply human nature. However, the greed of some people has little to do with the politics of others. I observed, constantly over my nearly 40 years in the state (and vicariously, through my parents and friends) that those who moved in from NYC were almost universally extreme liberals who were very much in favor of increased taxes to fund (unnecessary, in my view) new government services and transfer payments, and gun control, and who were almost all very much coddlers of criminals. It is these people who turned NJ from a near Republican lock in Presidential races to the opposite, not corrupt politicians or greedy insurance companies.

I won't speak for others, but when I bash NJ it is because it deserves it. I certainly don't enjoy doing this - again, I grew up there and will always have a place in my heart for the state, though I'll never live there again. I will also praise it when it deserves it, and feel very proud to do so - even as a non-resident. In either case, I am fully aware that NJ has many millions of people, and that many of them are honest, hard-working, thoroughly decent people who probably agree with me about the direction that NJ has taken. Its just that so many of the inner city and liberal wacko types disagree, and vote that way, so that the voices of the normal people (from my perspective) are drowned out.

 

[MinMAN]

So it's safe to assume that you have zero textbook references that point out a difference in the American History courses taught both above and below the Mason-Dixon line?

Give me a break.

 

[asknight]

I tend to not give breaks to people who so blatantly skew the facts to enhance the perception of their political stance.

 

[MinMAN]

I tend to not give breaks to people who so blatantly skew the facts to enhance the perception of their political stance.

I was not asking you for a break. It's just a figure of speach. History class is too long for this forum.

 

[asknight]

And I didn't ask for a history lesson. I simply asked you to point out your sources for the clearly inaccurate information you're disseminating.

I see that you cannot provide that. As such, my question has been answered and I am done with this thread.

 

[MinMAN]

And I didn't ask for a history lesson. I simply asked you to point out your sources for the clearly inaccurate information your disseminating.

Yea right! Let me go dig out all my documents and books in the attic, for someone who really cares.

Give me a break!

 

[MinMAN]

SamAdams

I agree with 70% of your last post. However, there is a bigger picture of New Jersey than what is being painted by many. Aside from the fact that New Jersey has always provided opportunities for many Americans to achieve their goals in life. New Jersey is an important state to our Nation in numerous aspects of our country's economy, and national defense. To pound New Jersey into the ground at the behest of the scum, who have done what damage they could to our freedoms, is unacceptable, and shameful.

Somewhere in the back of your mind, your aware of the future elections, and the impact they will have, if the Dem/Libs gain control of the White house and Senate. Nation wide threat will be imposed regarding gun ownership. Soon, there will be no place left, for those who choose to run from this problem.

I truly believe, the only chance we have is Unity.
Isolation will be our own undoing.

Xavier