proposed federal high cap. mag ban

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As far as high cap mags go, Google Lee Enfield mad minute, 15 rounds, aimed, 300 yds.,under one minute. Often exceeded, sometimes by as many as 25 rounds. 40 rounds aimed fire in a minute. This is with a bolt action rifle, so hi cap mags make not a bit of difference.
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your right, high cap mags dont make a bit of difference.....if all you do is shoot at 300 yards and have plenty of time to practice shooting that well......

gee, i hope you never have to use a rifle in any other situation than the one you practiced countless hours in......
 
Waywatcher said:
If you look at the events in AZ, and you worry about your access to commerical material goods, I think you have some misplaced priorities... and unrealistic fears.
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So there's an additional prize for adding a strawman?
 
"The only reason to have 33 bullets loaded in a handgun is to kill a lot of people very quickly. These high-capacity clips simply should not be on the market,"
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Well if they take away the 33rd clips then whats it matter? We will still have our magazines wont we? and besides who can go on a rampage with bullets? what would you do with bullets throw them at people? I think that 30 rounds in a magazine would work a little bit better, what do you think?
 
I think there is very little chance any new laws come out of this. I also ordered 4 more 25 round magazines for my 6.5 Grendel AR. I've been meaning to do this for awhile.

I think the people who say I don't use or own any 33 round Glock magazines are very short sighted. They are not going to ban those they are going to ban anything over ten rounds. Which is a lot of magazines, a lot of standard magazines.
 
I think the people who say I don't use or own any 33 round Glock magazines are very short sighted. They are not going to ban those they are going to ban anything over ten rounds. Which is a lot of magazines, a lot of standard magazines.
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Exactly.
 
Yes, I think the mags are mostly useless. I promise you I can outshoot that kid with restricted 10 round mags. I think they are largely for people who are too lazy to learn to reload correctly.

I do see some use for those pistol-carbine conversions. I suppose if I had one of those things I would want a bigger magazine for it.

But to say there is any legitimacy in limiting them is to say that there is a legitimate reason to put arbitrary limits and restrictions on ALL magazines. If we say there is a reason to limit them, there is a reason to limit ALL guns. You could say that 7 or 8 shot revolvers need to be limited to six, since the other two rounds are artificial augmentations. You can say that 1911 magazines should be limited to five to match the revolvers. There is absolutely no reasoning or limit to magazine size.
 
Please be very careful about jumping on the "mental illness ban" bandwagon. First of all, given the vast array of MI in the APA DSM4TR everyone in the nation will fit one or more categories of mental illness, which includes benign things like anxiety disorder or OCD or a soldier with PTSD. Not all people with mental illness are dangerous, in fact 99% are your neighbors and friends. 3rd Who wants somebeurocrat to decide who is crazy and who "deserves" to have their civil rights. 4th, like criminals, people disturbed enough to warrant losing their rights are not necessarily going to follow the law and might not even be able to understand right from wrong and a piece of paper will not stop them from obtaining arms (I have seen actively psychotic Pt with a hunting rifle).

Give these leftist tyrants a foothold like "mental illness" and we have lost the war.
 
JohnBiltz said:
I think the people who say I don't use or own any 33 round Glock magazines are very short sighted. They are not going to ban those they are going to ban anything over ten rounds. Which is a lot of magazines, a lot of standard magazines.
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Or.... learning from their mistakes, I believe the next serious go around on magazines may stop at a more "reasonable" number, like 15, or even 20.

One of the best ways to attack firearms, as evidenced by some posts here, is to go after things that less people care about. Many gun folks still suffer from the "as long as I don't own any, I don't care" syndrome.
 
The anti-gun faction in this country has to made to understand that the USA does not, never did, and never will have a "gun problem". Aside from acts of God every single travesty that ever took place is rooted purely within the human pyschi...........not objects be it guns knives bombs or even aircraft carriers.

On 9-11-01....19 hijackers brought the entire world to its knees using box-cutter knives to initiate their actions. Now granted, IF they were able to get pistols aboard the aircraft they likely would have.......but on the flip side of that those same security measures/regulations kept innocent passengers from doing the same in the name of defense.

Today, could a deranged idiot take control of a large mass of innocents using a knife? He certainly could.......yet NO ONE in the anti-gun faction seems to give a hoot that a twelve year old can buy a box cutting knife and nobody will care. Why? because outlawing box knives is a bit ridiculous isint it?

Now, I realize the subject in current events has nothing what-ever to do with 9/11/01........but the in the end it is exactly the same:

The slaughter of innocent people.

I personally have no use for a 30+ round mag in a handgun, but I'd never ever question the "need" of a fellow shooter that has fun with such things because pistols are not just about self defense.....but happen to be a souce of enjoyment and fun.

It's just insane that someone in the anti-group would refer to high-cap mags as devices for hunting humans......or purely killing. Just stupid.


I'll tell ya, I'd have just a tiny more respect for these people if they would just go ahead and refer to box-cutter knives as "Throat-cutting-tools".

At least they'd maintain a shred of integrity.


Russ
 
If something like this goes through, I hope all of us get together and say, well we tried like hell to stop it.

Because anyone of us on here who doesn't take the 10 minutes or less it takes to put in a minimum amount of effort to fight against this is as guilty as those who push for it.

Time to start mailing and emailing and calling. Not this friday, not this weekend. Tomorrow. Right down some elected persons numbers and start calling.
 
This eveing, I sat down and wrote out a letter asking my legislators to resist any knee-jerk gun legislation that follows this tragedy. I sent it to my state representative and state senator, and to my state's two national senators and my representative in the house.

I urge eveyone to contact their legislators and ask them to resist legislation that is nothing more than an attempt to capitalize on tragedy, infringes on their constiuents rights, and which would do nothing to stem crime.
 
Another gripe from the above Bloomberg article (*that I've heard repeatedly the past few days)

Critics have focused on the extended magazine used in the shooting. It was illegal until 2004 under the expired federal ban on assault weapons
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No one bothers to mention that such magazines were UNRESTRICTED in every way until 1994. They were illegal for a period of ten years, and it was shown the assault weapons ban had zero effect on the crime rate. Why aren't THOSE points addressed? Oh yeah....it doesn't serve the gun control agenda very well to present an overall picture rahter than a choice soundbyte
 
They were illegal for a period of ten years...
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Actually, they sort of weren't. You could buy them from the internet, gun shows, even gun stores. Just no new ones could be sold to private citizens. Depending, of course, on what state one lived in.

I say this because if people would take a look at it from this perspective, there were plenty of hi-cap magazines around during the "ban", and incidents like this one have very little to do with the ban being lifted. It's not like there was an explosion of hi-capacity mags hitting the streets.
 
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im just wondering, if the repeal of the fed. assault weapons ban will have any sort of "reciprocity" towards defeating this purposed bill...

...as in, this bill wont pass because it was, in part, repealed earlier when they got rid of the assault weapon ban...?
 
They just keep trying to chip away at what we citizens can legally have. I think that even with the current state of things they are loosing traction for once. Does not hurt my feelings at all.:cool:
 
IMO all of this knee jerk - jump the shark legislating is going to hit the fan when it comes out that the shooting was not politically motivated (according to Drudge it already has). Then who will be left holding the bag . . the ones who started the finger pointing, thats who. Of course the media will never report it that way, I even read that a member of congress (d) has already stated that if conservative talk radio did not play a part in this shooting it will in the next one. My they want to have their cake and eat it don't they. Will the assault on our rights never end :(
 
M-Cameron said:
im just wondering, if the repeal of the fed. assault weapons ban will have any sort of "reciprocity" towards defeating this purposed bill...

...as in, this bill wont pass because it was, in part, repealed earlier when they got rid of the assault weapon ban...?
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It wasn't "repealed" or "gotten rid of". The law had a ten year sunset built in. It was simply allowed to expire.
 
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