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Great starter rifles too. Here's my younger boy (9 yrs old at the time) :)

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Of course, my boys are on an "accelerated curve" with assault rifles, over typical children. (Taken when my oldest boy was 10)

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We migrate to larger guns and an understanding of exterior ballistics about 12(ish).

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What's the story on that one, Gbran? Is it a P90, or a PS90 with the short barrel?

It's the real McCoy. Pic was taken in NV, the rifle belonged to a Swat member.
 
Nice gbran! Haven't ever shot a P90 on full auto before, but want to. You get a chance to shoot it?
 
I'd like to shoot it full auto once. I don't think I'd ever use full auto beyond that one time though, even if I were allowed to keep it. The thought of going through $20-something in ammo in 3.5 seconds, jeez. That's just nuts. I go through 50 rounds in semi-auto plenty fast enough. :)

"Pull it till your trigger finger burns for more oxygen" - PS90 and FS2000 share that trait...
 
Speaking of pulling the trigger, I've been unsuccessful in finding a local shop that sells the PS90 so far.

How's the trigger on it? Looking at it reminds me of mid-1990s paintball guns, when most triggers were around 12 pounds. I realize that's not the case with the PS90, of course; but like I said, I haven't found a means of handling one yet.
 
Trigger is on the stiff side and has quite a bit of creep. I haven't actually measured the pull on mine, but I'd have to say it's somewhere in the vicinity of 6 lb? My 9 year old boy shown above started using two fingers about 20 shots in to the 50 round mag because his index finger was worn out.

That pic is 3 years old - he's 12 now and has no problem with it.

*I* have a problem with it, though, because those two kids like to burn through ammo like it's free. They'll tend to shoot everything I pack along and then whine about not having any more. I started them in on the long guns so they wouldn't go through it so damn fast.
 
*I* have a problem with it, though, because those two kids like to burn through ammo like it's free. They'll tend to shoot everything I pack along and then whine about not having any more. I started them in on the long guns so they wouldn't go through it so damn fast.

Well if CMMG would finally release their PS90 22LR kit that would help.
 
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What's this!?!!! A 22 conversion in the works?!

That would be damn nice to have!

First I've heard of anything like it!
 
Thanks for the answer regarding the trigger, Trent. You've shared a lot of knowledge with me the past couple days. Definitely appreciate it.

Gbran, is that P90 his personal weapon? Or one of his duty weapons? Kind of along the same lines as my LEO-specific ammunition question on page 1, are LEOs allowed to purchase F/A rifles for personal ownership?
 
Thanks for the answer regarding the trigger, Trent. You've shared a lot of knowledge with me the past couple days. Definitely appreciate it.

Gbran, is that P90 his personal weapon? Or one of his duty weapons? Kind of along the same lines as my LEO-specific ammunition question on page 1, are LEOs allowed to purchase F/A rifles for personal ownership?

This would have to be a department weapon unless he is a Class III dealer in which case he is allowed to have a "demo" I believe.

Even being an LEO doesn't make you exempt from NFA laws I think
 
Don't "quote" me on that one, as I'm not 100% sure. Trent would most likely know for sure, as would several other members who I'm sure will chime in here soon.
 
Depends on how loose the agency is with the F/A weapons. Department has to own them but the ones I've seen , they want the weapons with the people all the time. I have a colleague who's on the response team out in Dodge City, KS, who gets to keep his MP5 with him at all times. He does NOT get to keep flashbangs at home, though. :)

Likewise with our local tri-county team. If they get called in on an emergency they won't have time to hit the armory first. This happened a few weeks ago in Creve Coeur, when locals were tipped off and cornered a suspected murderer in a local motel. They just go straight to the scene. Unless it's a planned high risk warrant, then they have a briefing and all that.

(That murderer managed to shoot himself TWICE in the head with two handguns, by the way. Real weird ending)
 
Trigger is on the stiff side and has quite a bit of creep. I haven't actually measured the pull on mine, but I'd have to say it's somewhere in the vicinity of 6 lb? My 9 year old boy shown above started using two fingers about 20 shots in to the 50 round mag because his index finger was worn out.

I wonder if anybody has had an accurizing job done on the PS90 trigger. Have you noticed the trigger smoothing out over time?
 
This would have to be a department weapon unless he is a Class III dealer in which case he is allowed to have a "demo" I believe.

Even being an LEO doesn't make you exempt from NFA laws I think
LEOs still have to follow the same laws regarding guns. The department may let them take it home if they are on some sort of call out schedule but an individual officer can't buy one on their own unless they get a stamp. Im pretty sure the P90 was released after the 86 ban and therefor there are no civilian legal ones.
 
I haven't seen any of these guns in person before. Around how much do they cost?
Right around $1500. I'm definitely not rich, and it is a lot to spend on a rifle; I just expected them to be in the $2200 range. I can see saving up $1500 for a weapon I really like. Not like I do it all the time. :p
 
LEOs still have to follow the same laws regarding guns. The department may let them take it home if they are on some sort of call out schedule but an individual officer can't buy one on their own unless they get a stamp. Im pretty sure the P90 was released after the 86 ban and therefor there are no civilian legal ones.

Correct, the P90 was introduced in 1990 (hence, P90).

There are no legally transferrable P90's - however, you could buy an AR57 upper for a transferable registered AR and make use of the ammunition and 50 round magazines.
 
I own 11 of them still. 10 are unfired, one sleeps by my bed at night.

The 10 were leftovers from when I closed my shop. I accepted the order instead of taking a restock hit. I'm holding on to them to see what happens in O's second term.

I've shot 5,700 rounds now through the PS90 and FN Five Seven (that's the exact count of ammo I've gone through, but I have no idea how that splits between the rifle and pistol). The majority of those rounds have gone down the PS90 barrel.

Some of the facts...

I have never experienced a single failure to feed or fire.

Generation 1 PS90 optics are junk. (The white "donut of death" reticle). It's impossible to use in low light and if you're shooting at white paper targets you can't get any idea of where you are aiming.

Generation 2 PS90 optics kick all sorts of ass. They are labelled as "RE" versions. The reticle is a crosshair configuration, but in low light, the thing glows red. It's really sweet.

Then you have Tri-Rail configuration, which features a MIL-STD 1913 rail on top and two smaller ones on the sides. These have no integral sights, you must add an optics system of your choosing (EOtech, Aimpoint, etc).

One of the neat features is the downward ejection of brass. You can buy a clip-on baggie (FNH or aftermarket) that the gun is designed to accept. All of your brass falls in the baggie when you shoot. So you can unclip it and dump your empties - they never touch the ground.

They also feature a dust-cover in that ejection port, which you can snap shut to keep any grit or crud from getting in to your action. This is opened automatically when the action is worked manually or by firing a round, and remains open until closed again by hand. It creates a great seal to keep any dust, sand, or dirt out of the mechanism.

Obviously the 50 round capacity is a huge boon.

The ammunition, weapon, and magazines are fantastically lightweight, even with the stock 16" barrel.

It's accurate enough to hit 6" targets reliably at 200 yards with the non-magnifying reticle sights.

The SS197 ammunition (which is loaded with 40gr Hornaday V-Max) leaves the PS90 at something around 2200 FPS - and hits with a significant amount of disruption. The jackets are thin and the round pretty much disintegrates in to small fragments on impact.

They do not penetrate deeply - just under 10" (corrected) in most penetration testing with denim or bare gelatin. This should be considered a potential drawback as most sources consider 12" penetration or deeper to be required for effective defense. Or, it could be viewed as a positive if you live in an apartment, or have pets/family that you are concerned with.

Ammunition is also commercially available through other sources (check FiveSevenForums.com), with different characteristics than the FNH factory ammunition.

Ammunition used to cost less (all ammo did), and is currently hovering around $21 a box/50 rounds (0.42c each).

Reloading the 5.7x28mm is a bit complex, I haven't gone there yet, but plan to. If you plan on reloading do yourself favor and do a lot of homework!

In terms of practical real-world, non-anecdotal effects, the 5.7 has been shown to be a devastating cartridge. I won't cite a source here - most people here will know what grim incident I am referring to, and it's best if we don't discuss it. It's sufficient to say that I have no doubts whatsoever, on whether it can be used as an effective self-defense round.

Any other questions?
I'll second this.

As for ammo prices, Cabela's has been selling 5.7x28mm SS197SR for $17.99/box with free shipping, but their sale just ended recently. Cheaper Than Dirt is still selling both FN loads for about $20/box.
 
Bobson

Gbran, is that P90 his personal weapon?

This is, was, a weapon issued to a LEO who had some kind of a command position that included some SWAT duties. He drives a well stocked SUV and keeps it at his house. This pic was taken a few years ago. I've known this fellah several years. That's about all I'll say.
 
thanks for the thread and lots of info here

i am thinking about either get an ar-15 or a ps90, i think with modern design ps90 should have its advantages over old ar-15, i am a believer of new technology, this is just for some target shooting and PD, and i am not going into any kind of war so long range of ar-15/5.56mm is kinda overkill, and ammo is twice as heavy...
what do you folks think?
 
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