Punisher Decal gets me PUNISHED!!!

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Uh, no, he SHOULD have made the offending officer apologize. If I were the sargeant and you were the officer you WOULD have offered an apology and I probably would have been seriously considering having you put it in writing...

This is no different than allowing your dog harass someone and you merely show up and put the dog in another room without chastising the behavior. He actually rewarded the behavior.
 
Internal Affairs would be a nice place to place that letter if you're really pissed and concerned, btw.
 
I have gun bumper stickers and American Flag stickers

the last time I got pulled over in Storey County, NV the LE said "nice stickers":evil:
He said if I don't get my brake light fixed that some other agency might give me a ticket, and added "have a nice night":D:D:D
 
First, take a look at yourself, -and your car. Not that it's an excuse, but was there reason for said LEO to stereotype you as a gang member?
Cuz in AmeriKa, we are a free people... Free to dress and act the way Law enforcement and society as a whole deems it acceptable.
 
I am in the camp suggesting:

1. Write a formal letter of complaint regarding Officer #1
2. Write a formal letter of praise regarding the Sargent.

There is no excuse for the mannerisms or behaviour of Officer #1.



Actually, the Sarge COULD have made the offending officer apologize couldn't he???

On thing that we have to rememeber here:

It's not an appology if someone MAKES you say it. If he was worthy of that badge, he would WANT to appologize for the behaviour that was described.


-- John
 
First, take a look at yourself, -and your car. Not that it's an excuse, but was there reason for said LEO to stereotype you as a gang member?

This is a joke, right? Maybe the guy is black or latino. Maybe he should go bleach his skin so he is more acceptable to the cop?
 
Don't ditch the killer sticker. I wear a Punisher SHIRT! On some occasions its accompanied by a leather jacket or surplus black trench coat! :evil:
 
what do you want?

do you want to screw with this guys career? for spite or to make him change?
i can understand either motive
about 15 years ago i was doing sober interuptus, met a nice girl also doing that dance. she and i were that most cused of things. "just friends". she showed up at my house at 2 am a lil drunk and po''d at long time serious boyfriend ie fiancee.he had dated another girl she wanted revenge, with me. we talked a while she was still too drunk to drive so i drove her home. her dad had a big place driveway almost a 1/2 mile. 1/4 mile in her boyfriend was waiting, in his patrol car, deputy sheriff. he was real young large and more than a lil po'd. did i mention i went without a license for 18 years? i got the old get outa the car handcuffs and ride in the back to jail. kid was smoking mad but handled himself like a real pro. other than the veins pulsing in nhis forehead it was a textbook example of how to handle me. except the chare couldn't stick. rather than screw with him or his buds who tried to cover for him i suggested to his chief that i would drop it for apopogy over dinner. he now believes that nothin happened is married to the girl god help him, and its all good. if it was me i'd want some face to face time with the cop then decide if i wanted to jam him up. he still a jerk break iot off in him
 
You might also consider sending a letter, over dopping by in person, to you local media outlets (print and TV). With all the "journalists" in media today (as opposed to "reporters"), I would be willing to bet someone there would love to cover a story like yours.
 
NO! That was not a JOKE.

Yes, this is a free country. Drive that skateboard lookin, thumpin, ricer all you want. Just don't blast your gangsta rap in my neighborhood.

Stereotype or 'Fit the profile'? I'm no LEO, but if the cop had pulled over some granny in a Buick or Saturn that some kid had slapped a sticker on the back window, he would have been about as 'justified' as he was in this situation.

My point is, if a person fits the 'gang' profile, (even when they're really a law abiding citizen), add in the popular gang sticker, then it might be time to analyze how one presents himself in the eyes of other people.

I didn't suggest that he did, just that it would be a good idea to rule that out.

Is it right for LEO's to stereotype or profile individuals? Stereotype? No. Profile? You bet! That's part of their job.

LEO's please join in.

I tell ya what... If I see a slinky lookin kid walking toward a school or mall in the middle of summer wearing a trenchcoat, I'm keepin an eye on him. Hand at the ready. He's free to wear what he wants. But it's not a societal norm. We should keep an eye out for 'out of the ordinary'.

I don't want to hijack this thread. More responses to my reasoning will not be responded to.

-Steve
 
Were I live the only gangs we have are the "bubble gummers" just out of school talking smack about how much english class suck's. I would say maybe be more informative on the type of "drugs" you had. Maybe officer no. 1 was having a bad day and not in the mood for wisecracks. Not that that justifies his treament of you, in no way does it make it right. We are creatures of hahbit, first impression's and apperance's tend to dictate how we react to a situation or a person. I would say some more training wouldn't hurt this officer one bit. He needs to ride around with the sarge and learn some manners. That being said I would right a letter about your treatment by officer no. 1 and another letter about how well the sarge handled the situation. The only other thing I would say is that if I'm making the payment on said vehicle then I'll put whatever sticker on it I want. I have a few and if you are offended then accept my appologie's in advance and stop looking at my stickers
 
THere are too many cops with a power trip these days. Write the letterS. Talk to the police watch dog agency in your area. Your letter will protect others if the cop keeps up his attitude.
 
So gangs now have decals? What's next - satin bowling jackets?

One of my former girlfriends cousins was in a gang in Green Bay, WI. They were using NBA logos for their gang logos. If you were seen with an LA Kings jacket on you were likley to be shot. Gangs will use almost any logo that is mass produced so they can all dress the same for cheap.
 
How should i handle this? Where they justified in treating me this way? What can i do to teach these officers a lesson in manners? I am very PO about this and i don't want to let them get away with it with a simple apology.

1. Do nothing

2. Yes they were justified in treating you like that. Your car/image met a certain profile. The handcuffs? It is called protective custody (for both you and the officer).

3. Manners? You probably misunderstood being assertive for abusive.

4. Don't take it so personally. Had they found drugs or illegal arms, you would have been just another scumbag that they usually catch on one of these "gang affiliate" stops. Instead they found an innocent person and let you go after determining such - with an apology for the inconvenience. Of course, there is always the possiblity that you antagonized the officer with snotty responses but we don't know that anymore than what we know the "officer" really did either.

5. What are they getting away with other than doing their jobs?

6. What do you want? The officer fired or humilated? A guest spot on Oprah or Dr. Phil?
 
I don't think that a sticker representing an image made popular by a movie constitutes reasonable suspicion of wrongdoing so as to warrant a felony stop.
 
My sticker, im not taking it off!

I see everyones point in losing the sticker...basically to avoid problems. But when do you draw the line.
I love the Punisher, it was a nicknamed i earned while i was in Iraq. Not because i killed a ton of people...but because i always took all my gear everywhere. I literally had night vision goggles in my hump even though i didn't need them, my M4, sidearm, knife, so the guys i worked with decided to nickname me and our team The Punishers. It was something we did, it wasn't a gang, just guys that worked together making jokes and bonding as a team.
I'm not going to take off the Decals because some cop might pull me over or some rival gang my mistake me for someone else. I justly simply wont do it.
Ask yourself, what if your local street gang decided to call themselves the NRA's? When you remove the NRA sticker from your window because cops might pull you over? Or because a rival gang may mistake you? I wouldn't!
I was also a huge fan of comic books growing up. The punisher was one of my favorite comics next to Iron Man!:)

In regards to the letters, there's no need.
When i returned home from work, i had a police officer parked out front. I thought great, here we go again.
It was the original officer who arrived at the scene, who was being a total jerk. He walked over and introduced himself and extended his hand for a shake. I shook his hand, as he apologized to me. He said he realizes he was wrong for what he did and asked that i accept his apology. I did. He explained why he acted that way and said theres no excuse for his behavior. We talked a bit, i told him about myself and why i had the decal. He also had a BATMAN pin on his uniform which i commented on....

He gave me a $50 gift card for Outback steak house which i reluctantly accepted. I told him i was PO'd by what happened and i was considering writing a letter of complaint. I told him that i would not write the letter if he remembers this incident for the next time he pulls someone over. He then said it will definitely not happen again. I invited him inside for coffee which he declined but i know i will be seeing him again.

Over all, i don't think i was ever cop bashing in my original post. Not sure why some of you took as if i was.
I left my front yard with a different outlook on the situation. I think what made me most happy was the fact the we were able to talk, like to men, discuss our situation, apologize and move on. I really appreciated his actions and i may write a letter to thank him for his apology. I wont mention the gift certificate because it might come off as bribery. But it was still a nice gesture.
 
I would probably file a complaint against the initial officer, might even be inclined to sue for rights violation. I was always told that the Sgt. is responsible for all the actions of his subordinate whether or not he does anything wrong. All the officers I know said besides sitting behind a desk, this is one of the top reasons they'd rather stay on the street.
 
That was nice of him to drop by.

I had to look up the Punisher skull. Looks like The Phantom to me. Guess the cop was a young guy.

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