Expired CHL - Vehicle searched

[Skywarp]

He violated your rights, report it to anyone who will listen.

FBI, DA, ACLU, NRA, GOA.


It mostly sounds like he was just trying to be a dick but he crossed the line. Fight the power, dont let this enemy of the constitution ( in reality that's what it boils down to) get away with this. Make him pay, at the least he'll get a letter in his file that THEY will lose to protect a "valiant protector of the community" and if possible you could unleash a media storm that makes him unhireable for life.

All because he chose to be a butthole to the wrong citizen.


Hell, the bible says to respond similarly.

And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.
-- Exodus 21: 23-25 (KJV)


Tape him up in his home and ransack it. It is by divine mandate. He violates the citizenry then by God the citizenry should violate him. So let it be written, so let it be done. People already pick and choose which parts of the bible they like, why shoudl this be any different

 

[jeepmor]

but if someone files a false report of misconduct on an LEO, i hope they get charges filed on them.

I feel this is a reasonable statement, however, I've personally witnessed LEOs lying in court on many occasions. They frequently melt the details to their advantage and then claim it as truth. It's a bit off topic, but I'll share for clarity's sake.

I had an experience while rafting where two people in my party were charged with littering for not having brought back their beer cans back to the boat with them. We went upriver and played in some natural water flumes. Everyone took a single beer up the river with them. I was the first up to the flumes and also the first to be tuckered out from playing in the water. I gathered all the loose cans and put them in my river hat and headed back to the rafts about 1/4 mile away.

The police were across the river using high powered optics and cameras that could read the time on your watch from a mile. The police were about 1/4 mile from our position, across the river. They did not see my BIL and neice carry out their cans, so they ticketed them for littering.

I wrote an affidavit regarding my outdoor janitorial prowess and explained that I picked up all of our cans and even all the extras that were abandoned by other parties. Which was another 2-3 empty beer cans. Anyhow, this statement was used in their defense in the local area court and key to their defense.

Both officers had different stories as to what happened. And they were both in the same vehicle seeing the same thing. So we asked, where are the pictures of us violating said ordinance since you have those uber-optics and all? You should have a picture of me with a hat stuffed with beer cans, could you produce it please. One said, we didn't take any pictures, where as the other claimed they did not bring them into court.

The judge stated, if you officers are going to have to avoid this type of conflict of your own accounts if you wish to have any credibility in my courtroom, case dismissed! He didn't outright call them liars, but the message clearly stated it in a nicey nice, you are both incompetent dumbarses, sort of way.

I don't want to disparage LEOs because I have a great amount of respect for what they do for a living and they do deal with some real whack jobs on a daily basis. I have never had my right violated, but I did get a ticket from a sherrif that was on a seriously low blood sugar stint or something, he was over the top like I've never seen. However, to think that an officer won't bend the truth a bit to get the results he wants is purely fiction. He's there to win a case, not tell the truth.

Do us a favor and get a complaint on this guys record. He was out of line and without any documentation from citizens, he will continue this unacceptable behavior and hassle even more folks in the future because not getting in trouble or reprimanded for it is reinforcing the behavior. If he has this speck on his record, he may lose a promotion or the like. Then he might consider his actions less than perfect.

I was not there, and cannot judge. But to think our LEOs are something above normal people like you and I is to think that the Bush Administration never lied to us. It just ain't so.

 

[mzmtg]

My last traffic stop went something like this...
Saw cop, turned off hwy, pulled over, turned car off, rolled down window put hands on steering wheel, waited for oficer to do his job.
"Do you know why I pulled you over?"
"yes sir, I was going 20 miles over the speed limit"

That was a stupid thing to say.

 

[Spreadfire Arms]

jeepmor wrote:
I feel this is a reasonable statement, however, I've personally witnessed LEOs lying in court on many occasions.

are you an attorney, or do you have a livelihood that puts you in criminal court constantly that you can honestly say this is true? how do you know they are lying? were you there at every incident an officer has testified at?

anyway, in regards to this particular incident, the cops aren't going to file a charge of filing a false police report over "he said - she said" accounts of what happened. even if all of the cops present at the scene have a different account, no charges can be filed unless there is an audio or video tape of the incident that clearly shows the person filing the report is blatantly lying.

absent of an audio or video recording no charges could reasonably be filed by a D/A's office because there would be a clear lack of evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the complainant was blatantly lying.

like i said, if there is an audio or video recording, then it will either lend to the credibility of the complaining citizen or the officer who stopped the citizen. just be aware that if someone is planning on knowingly filing a false police report, then be prepared to face the consequences.

 

[mec]

Someone asked about my race. I am white. The officer is black.

That designation might well confer minority status in Houston. In other parts of the State, DAs have made the same statement about defying the legislative intent but often in the same jurisdiction, police have said that they will adher to the law as it is written and presume traveling status unless the potential victim meets one of the exceptions.

 

[Bartholomew Roberts]

Adrianos, it turns out that you and Sam Spade are posting your messages from the same computer. Besides the THR prohibition on multiple user registrations, it seems a bit odd when an accusation like this is made by someone who has several user accounts linked to a single computer. Perhaps you could clarify this matter for us or PM me some contact information where I might verify your story?

 

[duckslayer]

Adrianos, please contact the TSRA as a previous poster mentioned. They will let you know the best course of action. I am not trying to talk you into filing a million dollar lawsuit, and this incident didn't happen to me so I won't have to invest any time into it, but I strongly encourage you to do something about it.

 

[kungfuhippie]

"yes sir, I was going 20 miles over the speed limit"
That was a stupid thing to say.

I knew i was guilty, I figure when I've broken the traffic law admiting guilt is a good thing. I was taight not to lie, not to cry wolf, so that when you have to people believe you. It's saved my butt at work on several occations. I also thought that being polite and admiting what I did would maybe get me out of a ticket. It worked before. I just have bad luck with motorcycle cops.

I guess if I was doing something bigger than a traffic violation my sense of morals would really be challenged. Anyway, me admitting to that and him agreeing lessened any chance of a new "reason" to spring up. It depends on the situation.

One of the highest point of stress for a cop is walking up to a car they just pulled over. Fidgeting, getting your papers, etc. will really tick them off. Put the hands at 10 and 2, be nice, and often they'll be nice back. IMHO

 

[XavierBreath]

I, too, would like to know why Adrianos is apparently posting to this thread under different user names. Care to explain Adrianos? It does not help your credibility.

Feel free to PM with information to verify your experience.

 

[cassandrasdaddy]

kung fu hippy

i practice that same technique have gotten good results too . doesn't feed my sense of drama and love for conspiracy but the cops have cut me slack and so have the judges. so i guess i'm gonna continue being old fashioned and in the case of minor stuff not try to be a drama queen and play like is a major legal event. its a shame when truth and responsibility are " a stupid thing to say"
but sadly it seems that the style today.
i have rreplyed truthfully when asked how fasy were you going and thus far never had it work against me.the cops always seem shocked to get an honest answer. and most said almost the exact same thing. "at least your honest" and it always changed the tenor of the encounter favorably for me.
i guess your just an old fashioned guy in regards to morals and character. io hope that doesn't turn out to be a great handicap in your life as some seem to think.

 

[Molon Labe]

I have been reading this thread with some interest. And my sixth sense tells me something may not be right with the OP's story.

Do we have any independent verification that this incident took place?

 

[duckslayer]

Can we keep the details of what gets who out of a ticket when out of this thread. If it is indeed real and as the OP relayed it, it is a topic of great interest to us all. All the non-germane details of what is a stupid thing to say and who is not a liar and what gets me out of a ticket add post counts for people, but don't help the thread to do anything but grow and make everyone wade through a bunch of useless information to see how this story plays out.

 

[ezypikns]

I'll bet Adrianos will be surprised when he gets all these checks.

You know, the ones we're all sending to help cover the cost of his righteous civil suit.......right, guys? Guys?.........(chirp, chirp)

 

[mzmtg]

I knew i was guilty, I figure when I've broken the traffic law admiting guilt is a good thing. I was taight not to lie, not to cry wolf, so that when you have to people believe you.

There's nothing immoral about invoking your Fifth Amendment right to not incriminate yourself. I say let the State prove their case.

 

[jeepmor]

to spreadfire

My wife worked for attorney's for 9 years. I am not claiming that all officers bend the truth as a matter of operating procedure, I'm simply saying it happens. I stated my particular case, which was technically an infraction, not a crime. But the officers were shifting their story so frequently that the judge politely called them on it. We would not have filed a complaint no matter the outcome.

These officers had the means to record what happened with their uber-optics on a camera. I suspect this evidence was either dropped (deleted off a memory card or such) or forgotten considering it was only a littering case. I'd bet the officers simply expected the fines to be paid without contention due to the fact we were from a town 2-3 hours away.

I've only been in traffic court, and all of it was many moons ago in my early twenties. I did not think folks would get so worked up about it and I did reiterate my respect for what LEOs go through on a daily basis an did not state it to typify the LEOs as a whole. In the criminal sense, the defendant (alleged criminal) is much less credible than the LEOs at every turn, I won't deny that. However, to think that a LEO won't do the same on a point or two to win his case is an unrealistic expectation at best.

 

[kungfuhippie]

There's nothing immoral about invoking your Fifth Amendment right to not incriminate yourself.

Yes, right you are. I was not incriminating myself, he and his radar gun already caught me. If I were a cop I'd be nicer to the people that seemed responsible and didn't try to play dumb or argue with me, When I did tell him my buisness because it was irrelivant to a traffic stop I was exercising my right of the 5th. I also did not allow an unlawful search. Point being that by being nice to a cop when you know you've been caught anyway (weither or not you admit to anything) you may get better treatment, from my expirence I believe it works. That and when in court and the cop tells the jury that you were nice and accomodating you'll be the good guy (unless there was a body in your trunk )

 

[JohnKSa]

Therefore it applies to everyone who is traveling. Not just traveling in a fashion that the police think is traveling. Traveling period.
I don't care if you are headed from Houston to Omaha to see grandma or two blocks over for some Cheetos. If you are traveling to or from a destination you are traveling. PERIOD. It's this b******t about the word traveling meaning what we say it means even though we didn't actually say that when we wrote the law that is sheer lunacy. The only thing crazier than the police and the DA interpreting the word traveling to their likeing is the fact that people allow them to get away with it.

The ambiguity in the law allows a judge a lot of leeway. If good judges are appointed/elected, the ambiguity/leeway will be a benefit to the people. If bad judges are appointed/elected it will be a detriment. Surprise!, our system of justice and government is heavily dependent on a responsible citizenry...

 

[F4GIB]

... however, I've personally witnessed LEOs lying in court on many occasions. They frequently melt the details to their advantage and then claim it as truth.

Me too. It happened both while I was a prosecutor (I dropped cases when I was involved) and while I was a defense counsel (got 1 punished for perjury - he was convinced to resign and forfeit 15 years of pension).

 

[dave_pro2a]

Quote: "however, I've personally witnessed LEOs lying in court on many occasions. They frequently melt the details to their advantage and then claim it as truth"

Me three.