Puniskull?

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All over gun shops, tactical shops, forums, youtube, etc. etc. anything related to guns I keep on seeing the Punisher Skull, or "Puniskull" as some are putting it:

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Any reason for this? It seems to be an incredibly popular icon for the gun industry. Dust covers, bumper pads, shirts, hats, they all are featuring this. It is without a doubt one of the most popular subjects for gun related media that I've seen.

Anyone have an answer for why this is so popular, and what it symbolizes in correlation with firearms?
 
Keeping to the firearms world, because we are a firearms forum, this became very popular after the Chris Kyle movie came out. His team used this symbol as a calling card, at least in the movie, so now everyone that is a wanna be, and some of those that are the real deal, use this to evoke a sense of badassness. I've seen it on the rise with law enforcement, though the whole Spartan thing is still huge as well.
 
I read Kyle's book. He and his seal team adopted the symbol. From the book "We made our own logo. reminiscent of the Punisher character. We Spray painted it on our vests and much of our gear. Like him, we were righting wrongs."
 
This is one of those symbols that troubles me a bit. If a Seal team adopts a particular logo, in my mind, it is kinda their thing. IIRC the Punisher was about vigilante justice. That's not me and I don't know if we, as firearm owners, should be adopting those types of symbols. If you want to ride around with it you have the right to, it's just not for me.
 
Did you read the comics?

No. As an adult, I could think of many other things that I'd rather read over comic books.

So there is a connection with Chris Kyle? Interesting, and I can see why it became/is becoming popular after American Sniper.
 
The Punisher Skull was used by Chris Kyle and his team and has been a thing long before the movie came out.

If I recall, the Chris Kyle skull has a 5 point star in the forehead
 
You'd be surprised at the number of adults who do read graphic novels. The one thing that collectively can be said about them is that they aren't "comic" books. In most cases, there is nothing comic about them.

Now, do we as a shooting community adopt images and graphics which the general public might find distasteful? Well, it can be said that some in the general public find a young boy biting a piece of bread into the shape of a handgun is horribly distasteful.

Where do you draw a line?

How about an AR lower with a magwell fashioned to look like a screaming skull?

I'd suggest the Punisher logo is far from the worst things we've seen on firearms.
 
Round here its the obnoxious "shark morphed into an AR15" window decal that is everywhere.....not sure what sharks have to do with assault rifles, does it have a connection to the "Assault Life/ Salt life" thing?
I hate to admit it, but I do kinda dig the "Got Sig?" sticker though......:)
 
This has been discussed somewhat before here. I believe people slap it on because they watched the Chris Kyle movie or read his book and now think its "cool". A member here told me his unit had done it a decade before Kyle and that Kyle and his seal team (didn't) doesn't own the logo. Fine. But when you have it on your shooting gear now, you look like a poser to everyone but yourself.
 
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I wouldn't put it on my stuff cause it's an easy fight in court for a lawyer. Fancy yourself a vigilante? That's what they will call you.

It's quite an interesting conundrum. Self-censor yourself in order to preserve a "law abiding citizen" persona or fully express yourself and wind up in court with a 24 x 36 inch Punisher logo on an easel in front of the jury.

Now, whether or not that would happen in a SD shooting case (or the civil suit that seems to inevitably follow the criminal proceedings) is another question, but the point is that as Blkhrt13 observed, it does give the opposing attorney an opportunity to plant the germ of an idea in the mind of the jury.

I've been on trial teams in civil cases (nothing to do with self defense or guns) where the attorney paid an internet archiving service to download everything they could find on the other party. It came in over 100,000 pages and included a lot of stuff I would have thought was not readily available. They then paid a temporary service to send over people who spent ten hours a day reading all of it looking for particular words the attorney told them to look for.
 
Perhaps, but the Punisher character and his skull logo were introduced in 1974 by Marvel Comics.
Yes, you're right. Chris Kyle said that's where he got the skull from. My point was that the Punisher Skull was showing up on lowers before the movie or the book came out.

What matters more than skulls or other decorations in a shooting is whether or not it's a good shoot. If it's a good shoot, the investigation will clear you. If it's not a good shoot, the skull on your lower will be the least of your worries
 
I was the old guy in my unit on my last deployments (2003-'04 and '05) when I was just over 40. I also stopped reading comic books when I was about 13 (Captain America & Spiderman were my guys), so I had no idea who the "Punisher" was. My last deployment was about the time of Kyle's first and we were in the same province (Anbar). I didn't get the images then, but I guess it's about the same as those guys who painted the pin-up girls like Betty Grable on their airplanes in WWII ...
 
If it's a good shoot, the investigation will clear you. If it's not a good shoot, the skull on your lower will be the least of your worries
What will determine if it's a good shoot will be the circumstances of the case.

Some of those circumstances will be outside the control of the defender since we don't get to choose when, where and how a defensive shooting takes place. But some circumstances are completely within the control of the defender. For example, putting a vigilante logo (or not) on a defensive firearm is a circumstance that is totally within the control of the defender.

Will a detail like that make the difference between acquittal and conviction or indictment and no true bill? Well, it could be used to determine the mindset and intent of the person wielding the firearm and that certainly wouldn't be a positive thing. It's possible that it could be the tipping point, though I will admit it's probably not likely.

I guess if you're the kind of person who feels it's really, really important to embellish your firearms with that kind of motif and you feel like you understand the risk, then go for it. I don't get enough of a charge out of that kind of thing to make it worth the risk--even if the risk is a really, really small one.
 
I must admit when I was a kid the punisher was my favorite comic character I've read stacks and stacks of them. I thought about making a replica of his gun from the movie. But again to me that's passing a win to the other side. Maybe not the whole case. But a victory lap for certain.
 
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Interesting conversation. I think the Punisher is a comic book character. His name, Frank Castle, an ex U.S. Marine,
and ex FBI Agent who's entire family was murdered by organized crime family's as payback for him exposing and arresting their higher up members.
Frank took them all to court and they were ultimately released by corrupt judges etc.
So, in the comic and the movies, Frank went haywire and .......well you know the rest.

The Chris Kyle movie, and most of the rest, stickers etc are about Justice rather than JUST US.

The Kyle guy was the most effective real life character, doing a job that was completely and totally sanctioned by the U.S. Government, and his clients were given no trial. They were and remain guilty of the same thing
that the comic book characters clients were guilty of which is terrorizing innocent people for their own greed and personal gain. They all had one thing in common, that being a total disrespect for human life and peaceful
life of their communities.

So unfortunate that people like Chris Kyle and the comic book guy are sometime unleashed in an attempt to per say flush the toilet of human society.

As for the logo itself....Ha Ha it is a human skull.....which at last check everyone has. Finally, in the comic, Frank Castle's very young son gave him a T shirt with the skull emblem on it as a birthday gift .
Castle wore the shirt racked with pain at the death on his precious family.

So you can consider the symbol; dark and evil, and a jury might agree with you, but make sure you tell them that
the symbol made famous by the comic and real life punishers were not killing innocent children who
failed to be born of a certain faith etc. Or perhaps some south of the boarder or your town USA who profit heavily from the pain inflicted on them from the provision of narcotics etc and destroy any and all who stand in their way.

There have always been people like Chris Kyle who are applauded in times of trouble....marked as hero's....that is until the storm subsides. Then their heroic glow seems to darken mostly due to the embarrassment of
the people who requested their deployment as no one wants to remember fondly their unpleasant but at the time required tasks. Perhaps akin to your own local garbage collector. A stinky job.......but without him you would be infected with the rot and stench eventually resulting in your demise.
 
I wonder if waaay back in the day Sir Percival looked at Sir Galahad's dragon-hilted sword and rolled his eyes:)

Never got into Punisher, but loved comics as a kid. Still love a lot of the characters.
 
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