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Question About CCW Reciprocity Agreement Between the States of Ohio and Michigan

Discussion in 'Legal' started by SwampWolf, Sep 30, 2019.

  1. SwampWolf

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    I am a resident of Ohio. Does anyone know with a degree of certainty if the states of Ohio and Michigan share a CCW reciprocity agreement? Thanks.
     
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  3. SwampWolf

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    Thanks, earlthegoat2. But I don't know what you mean by "they don't honor out of state or nonresident licenses" ???
     
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    I’m in GA and I have a GA license so I am good to go.

    Some places it is not as easy to get a resident license so they get a non resident license from another state. They now have a non resident license from another state and no license from their own state. MI does not honor this situation.

    Obscure and somewhat rare yes but MI has specified this condition.
     
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    Thanks. That explanation helped clear up my understanding of your answer. I would really like to get an "official", written copy of the reciprocity agreement between the states of Ohio and Michigan so that I could show it to any police officer questioning its validity.
    As an aside, it'd sure be nice if Congress would pass the national ccw reciprocity bill, still pending in Congress as I understand it.
     
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    For future reference. http://handgunlaw.us/
     
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    It took me awhile to understand the verbiage too.

    What helped was looking in the MI Hunting regulations handbook pertaining to non-residents handgun hunting in MI. Apparently MI does not allow hunting with a handgun or even allow transport of handguns in MI without a resident CCW or some type of documentation pertaining to you being able to purchase a handgun in your state. It is really bizarre wording and an even more bizarre regulation when I thought you were supposed to be able to transport firearms through any state in the land. Maybe it only pertains to transporting them concealed. I sort of understand the part about hunting with a handgun but it is still a bit over the top.

    MI is a state that I believe still requires a “purchase permit” to buy a handgun whether it is from an FFL or private sale you need the purchase permit. It’s as close to handgun registration as there is without it officially being so.

    That could be part of the reason behind the extra steps to follow when transporting or hunting with a handgun as a non-resident.
     
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    You can. 18 U.S. Code 926A supercedes state law. Note, however, that under that law, you can only travel through the state, not to the state.
     
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    That's what makes Michigan a little tricky. No one really travels through the state because it's a dead end (more or less) being surrounded by the Great Lakes.

    I am from Michigan. My parents are still there and my dad has his CCW permit. I believe they changed the permit to purchase requirement not too long ago but I'll have to dig around to confirm that.

    For what it's worth to the OP, I lived in Ohio at two separate times (2007-2010 and 2014-2016). In both cases I ended up acquiring a carry permit. The laws on reciprocity between MI and OH didn't change much (if at all) in those years and I was able to take many trips to Michigan with my handgun(s). Unless something significant has changed, everything SHOULD be the same now. There are plenty of ways to verify this.
     
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    I’m originally from MI too. I go back there to hunt deer season most years but this was the first year I wanted to use a handgun and just read up on the laws last week.

    That makes sense. Thanks for clarifying.
     
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    Thanks everybody for responding. Really appreciate those who took the time and effort to "reciprocate".
     
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    MI is a state that I believe still requires a “purchase permit” to buy a handgun whether it is from an FFL or private sale you need the purchase permit. It’s as close to handgun registration as there is without it officially being so.

    Minor points:

    Michigan requires a purchase permit issued by the buyer's local police authority for private face-to-face sales to buyers without a CPL. This permit must then be completed and returned to the local authority within 10 days of the purchase/transfer.

    Holders of a Michigan CPL can purchase face-to-face without a permit to purchase, but must have the seller fill out a Pistol Sales Record form, and the buyer must submit this record to their local police authority within 10 days of purchase. CPL holders who purchase from an FFL will receive a Pistol Sales Record with the FFL's information entered into the appropriate fields, and again this record must be submitted to the buyer's local police authority within 10 days of purchase.

    And make no mistake, Michigan used to be coy about handgun registration by calling the form a "safety inspection certificate," but now it's just a pistol sales record and the information is kept by the Michigan State Police. Michigan has handgun registration.

    Whether you are a resident of Michigan or a non-resident, you may not transport a handgun in the state without some form of state-issued permit. For residents, this would be either a CPL or a Pistol Sales Record. For non-residents, this could be a FOID, CPL/CCW, or other form of handgun registration in your state. If you're from Ohio and you do not have an Ohio CPL, you are not permitted to transport a handgun in the state of Michigan.

    You can, however, transport a handgun through the state of Michigan under the Firearm Owners Protection Act, if the possession of the handgun is legal in your originating state and your destination state. And yes, you can travel through Michigan. You can travel, for example, from Ohio to Wisconsin through the Michigan Upper Peninsula.
     
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    Minor point directed at the highlighted paragraph.

    Need some clarification for this paragraph cause as it is written, how would a person move to MI from a state that had no type of registration and possibly they no longer have a sales record?

    From personal experience back in 2005, when I moved from TN, and had quite a few PRIVATE handguns (two without sales records), the law, as written allowed me to LEGALLY move with the guns to MI and gave me 30 days to take into the required facility (in my case Oakland county Sheriff) to register...excuse me, I mean have a safety inspection. So you are permitted to transport a handgun into the state of MI without the intent of traveling through. The guns without sales record were held by the local authorities for a few days to perform a more intensive check to make sure they were not stolen or whatever.

    And back then, it applied to my PRIVATELY owned handguns, it did not apply to my issued handgun! And I will add that when I moved to UT, I enjoyed burning those ludicrous little green cards I was issued to make my guns legal in the state of MI.
     
  16. Unistat

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    If you move from out of state to Michigan, you just fill out the pistol registration with yourself as the seller and buyer, same as if you manufacture a pistol.

    The "green cards" have been gone for a while now.

    It's all so stupid and pointless. To bad the collective gun owners of Michigan are too hung up on "all or nothing" to accept the incremental progress we have been offered in the past.
     
  17. F-111 John

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    That may have been your personal experience, but I cannot find that exception in the Michigan statutes.

    The statutes that regulate transportation of a pistol are located here: http://www.legislature.mi.gov/documents/publications/firearms.pdf

    The statute in question is 28.422, located in the above pdf document on page 12 titled "License to purchase, carry, possess, or transport pistol; issuance; qualifications; applications; sale of pistol; exemptions; transfer of ownership to heir or devisee; nonresident; active duty status; forging application as felony; implementation during business hours."

    The only exceptions to requiring a license to transport a pistol in Michigan that I can find are 1) if you are a non-resident in possession of a license to transport or carry from your resident state, 2) if you are on military leave or discharged from active duty, or 3) you are transporting in conjunction with transferring ownership to an heir.

    In the first exception, you must be a non-resident, be in the state for 180 days or less, and NOT planning on establishing residency in Michigan.

    In the other two you have 30 days to obtain a license.

    I may be wrong, but as I read the statutes if you are moving to Michigan with the purpose of establishing residency, and you are not on military leave or discharged from service, you must first obtain a Michigan pistol license for each pistol you own prior to bringing the pistols into the state.

    I cannot find a 30 day exception for moving to the state with the intent of establishing permanent residency, except for the military discharge or leave exceptions mentioned previously. It may very well be that in practice police do not enforce the license requirement and allow a 30 day grace period for obtaining a pistol license, but I cannot find legal authority to grant such grace period.

    I'm happy to be corrected if I am wrong.
     
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