Question about Chicago PD carry weapon

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My friend has applied for CPD and will most likely get in. He wants to go out and rent a few guns to shoot because he has never shot before. I told him to get a list of acceptable carry weapons from CPD but I don't think he ever did for one reason or another.

Does anyone here know what the carry restrictions are for CPD?

I've seen some guys carry what look like Smiths semi-auto's while some other guys are still carrying the wheel guns that hang off like an old gun slinger.:neener:
 
Without considering older officers who may be "Grandfathered" in as to allow them to carry revolvers, last I knew CPD carried 9mm semi-auto sidearms. I think they have a choice from several models including a S&W (5906 maybe?) and SIG Sauer (226 I think). For some reason I seem to remember that there was a third choice but maybe not.
 
He wants to go out and rent a few guns to shoot because he has never shot before
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Tell him to save his cash. The PD will train you the CORRECT way to handle a handgun. When I joined I was in the same boat. I listened to every word the instructors commanded. From the academy through retirement, I qualified [expert] everytime. Lots of guys come in and say, "oh, I've been shooting since I was 12." Many have to rework their stance, sight alignment, etc. Besides, police qualification shooting is different than shooting at the range. It involves all the proper shooting techniques, plus concealment, movement and the big scary part...it's timed. If you've been in the military or gone to baseball camp, sometimes it's better to go in fresh, as a novice. Listen and learn. Don't bring in any bad habits. Just my experience.
 
Good point, OH25shooter! Not to change the thread topic completly but there really is something about going in with no or very little shooting and/or gun knowledge. It can be a good thing but some prior knowledge is not always bad either. I had never shot a handgun until I started training to carry my first duty gun. I remember being so worried that the recoil of my .38 would knock me on my butt and so forth. Later in my career I was a guest instructor at the state police academy and remember this one student. He was in his 40s and was putting himself through basic. Everytime we tried to explain something to him he would cut us off and tell us that he was a champion pistol shooter in the 1970s and that he did not need any help. His shooting skills were well below average judged from a police FI point of view.

I see nothing wrong with trying out a few handguns so your friend might have an idea which sidearm he would like to choose if given the opportunity, but don't get into teaching him all sorts of super secret police shooting tricks that would make it harder for him once he goes to basic. Being familiar with handguns and being a good shooter are two very different things.

Sorry this got to be so long. I would still like to know for sure what side arms CPD can carry.
 
Yeah, but I figured that I would at least give him the basics like how not to grip the gun and how not to stand. I've taught people the few basics before and since he's never shot anything before, I don't think I'll teach him any bad habits or teach him anything that involves drawing, covering, concealment, etc... Can't do those at the range we're going to anyway.

I'll let him shoot my guns to see how he likes the feel of them. Maybe I can get him to be a Sig lover like myself. :D

I think I'll just have him grip a few guns to see what fits in his hand well and go from there. He seemed really excited about it. Plus, it gives me another reason to go fondle their USP compact there. They want $810 for it, which is a bit high but I make them an offer and see if they bite.:D

We just trained some security guys for revolver and semi-auto over the weekend. It was stressful to say the least!:barf:
 
Edmond,

I think you doing your friend a favor and I think you are taking the right approach. After some extensive research I found the following:

"Chicago is allowed to Carry 3 types of ammo 9mm (primary) .45 (Auxilary) .38 (old timers, and off duty snubbies and so forth). 9mm we have to own, but if you have the .45 and you have qualified with it you can carry it. Our choices here are limited but not as limited as some.

Sigs P226,P239,P238, P220, P245
Berrettas 92FS and the Cougar 9mm/.45
Ruger P90,P89
Smith and Wesson (have no clue dont like em at all any ways)

And the catch is that they have to all be DAO. No DA/SA, unless you are an old timer. (14 years plus.) (14 years on our department is ancient all our old timers are gone)"

Of the weapons mentioned, I personally would go with the SIG 226.

Hope any of this helps.
 
Of the DAO versions of the guns mentioned, I'd take the S&Ws or the H&KLEM or SIGHAK. The DAO Berettas are LOOOOOONG (my current duty weapon is an issued Beretta .40 DAO) and DAO Sigs are very gritty and heavy (based on my shooting a few examples of each). The Smith trigger pull is similar to the Kahr.
 
That is not a stupid question. And yes, it is a liability thing. It is to prevent negligent discharges i.e. an officer has someone at gun point and oops...his gun "goes off." Someone felt that this was less likely with a longer, heavier trigger pull. NYPD has the same policy except they allow the GLOCK 19 as a choice along with a S&W model and the SIG 226.
 
"Probably a stupid question, but why DAO?"

My "guess" is because it would be easier to have an accidental discharge with the single action trigger of a conventional double action/single action pistol, or the single action trigger of a single action pistol. (We all know only to finger the trigger when we plan to fire, but...) DAO trigger pull is the same for every shot. If backup gun is a revolver, it's trigger is similar to a DAO pistol. DAO pistols usually don't have a manual safety. They're as easy to put into action as a revolver--draw, point, pull trigger. I also think it's easier to train an officer to handle a DAO than almost any other type action (except possible the Glock safe-action).These are off the top of my head, and I'm sure there are others.
 
Universal said:
"Chicago is allowed to Carry 3 types of ammo 9mm (primary) .45 (Auxilary) .38 (old timers, and off duty snubbies and so forth). 9mm we have to own, but if you have the .45 and you have qualified with it you can carry it. Our choices here are limited but not as limited as some.

Sigs P226,P239,P238, P220, P245
Berrettas 92FS and the Cougar 9mm/.45
Ruger P90,P89
Smith and Wesson (have no clue dont like em at all any ways)

And the catch is that they have to all be DAO. No DA/SA, unless you are an old timer. (14 years plus.) (14 years on our department is ancient all our old timers are gone)"
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Wow, that is really great information. What that will do is cut down on the confusion, IMO. He'll basically be limited to those weapons. Then we can eliminate some because of feel. Then we can eliminate some because of cost. Thank you very much for that. I hope it wasn't too much trouble doing that!

Actually, I had a change of plan. Since he has never shot before, I'm going to have him meet me at the office and we're going to go over the basics with an airsoft. I have a few gas blowback airsofts that I'm going to have him use to get used to the feel. If an error is made with the airsoft, the consequences won't be as catastrophic as they would with a real firearm. I'll drill him here for a couple of hours before I take him out with a live firearm. I have taken total newbs out to live fire before so I'm not totally new to it.
 
I'd go P220 if in Chitown. Gets mighty cold there and if a hollowpoint plugs up on heavy winter wear, I'd want a 45cal projectile rather than 9mm.
 
No problem at all. I just gave a lecture to a group of college students the other day about research methods so I figured I would practiced what I preach and look until I found the answer. I got it off a law enforcement related forum. My understanding was that it was written by someone on the department.

I like your idea regarding the air-soft pistol. That would be a good way to teach him the basics like keeping his finger off the trigger, not to point it at anything he does not wish to destroy and so forth. Like I said before, I think you are being a really good friend by doing all this for him.
 
It was actually my boss' idea to bring him in. My boss is a certified law enforcement and NRA instructor. I had a gun store website pulled up. My boss asked me what that was about and I told him I'm bringing an old college friend to shoot. He said to me, "Why don't you bring him in here and get him started with the airsoft?" The idea hadn't even crossed my mine.

Research methods? :uhoh: I absolutely hated research methods!:cuss: It is useful but that still doesn't mean that I can't hate it.:D
 
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