In Ohio the CCW info is tagged to your drivers license and any vehicle registration in the permit holders name. I believe even my car trailer has the CCW "tag" on it. Shortly after getting my CCW my father borrowed my truck, I made sure to tell him to keep his hands on the wheel if pulled over, as the LEO isn't aware of who is driving until they come to the window.
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Carne Frio
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When LEO make traffic stop in Alaska, they have access to your dmv records. If you have concealed weapons permit, that also comes up on the computer. You are required to inform the LEO, when he first makes verbal contact with you, even though he already knows. All that assuming that you are driving your own vehicle.
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In Arkansas your driver's license number is tied to your CCW. It will come up on the Police Cruiser's computer. And we go from there. No worries.
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Big Brother is already here...
I have a friend in Utah who got stopped by the police while driving. He was issued a ticket for expired saftey sticker. He paid the ticket, got his car inspected and put on a new saftey sticker. Three months later he gets stopped at a DUI check point (randomly selected - had not been drinking). He gives up his license/reg/insurance, all is in order when the cop asks him "Have you been pulled over by the police recently?". My friend answers "Well, I did get a ticket a few months ago.". The cop then says "Your lucky you didn't lie to me because it's right here in the computer."
I find this disturbing because 1) This was in a totally different part of the state different department, different jurisdiction. 2)This means that every car and individual being stopped is now being recorded in a central database. 3)Every police contact for any reason will now later be held against you for any reason.
Welcome to "Total Information Awareness". I don't remember ever consenting to this level of constant surveillance...
I have a friend in Utah who got stopped by the police while driving. He was issued a ticket for expired saftey sticker. He paid the ticket, got his car inspected and put on a new saftey sticker. Three months later he gets stopped at a DUI check point (randomly selected - had not been drinking). He gives up his license/reg/insurance, all is in order when the cop asks him "Have you been pulled over by the police recently?". My friend answers "Well, I did get a ticket a few months ago.". The cop then says "Your lucky you didn't lie to me because it's right here in the computer."
I find this disturbing because 1) This was in a totally different part of the state different department, different jurisdiction. 2)This means that every car and individual being stopped is now being recorded in a central database. 3)Every police contact for any reason will now later be held against you for any reason.
Welcome to "Total Information Awareness". I don't remember ever consenting to this level of constant surveillance...
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In trucking, you pass one scale house.. say... Knoxville TN on I 40. You have already been scanned for Xray, gamma, nuclear bombs, bio weapons, your front license plate tags have been captured and other information has been gathered off your rig prior to the green/red light point before the platform.
Should you hit another scalehouse within certain time/distance limits you could be pulled in to have your hours of service inspected.
I have been in various scalehouses and most of them have a laptop or a computer tied into a sort of internet with all other police agencies and it's not that hard to pass info quickly. I forget the exact network they used but it's all the same.
Personally I dont care as long as the traffic stop for me or the wife proceeds normally. We are generally adequate savings to pay fines the same day or post bond the same day. It's all the same to us.
Should you hit another scalehouse within certain time/distance limits you could be pulled in to have your hours of service inspected.
I have been in various scalehouses and most of them have a laptop or a computer tied into a sort of internet with all other police agencies and it's not that hard to pass info quickly. I forget the exact network they used but it's all the same.
Personally I dont care as long as the traffic stop for me or the wife proceeds normally. We are generally adequate savings to pay fines the same day or post bond the same day. It's all the same to us.
Stop with the self righteous hysteria already. Every contact one has with the police has been recorded since the start of organized police departments. The records used to be on paper, but they always have been there.
Only certain information is available statewide. Here in Illinois you automatically get convictions for traffic offenses within the last 12 months every time you run someone's DL. In some areas there are county or regional databases linked that can give you more localized information, such as if the driver was issued a warning for an offense.
Comprehensive record keeping has been part of police work from the very beginning. If you don't wish to be under constant surveillance
then have no contact with the police at all.stana
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ALOHACHRIS Utah dose have saftey inspections, but dose not issue "stickers" and hasn't for years. DUI check points are almost a thing of the past in my part of Utah, though once were common. I don't know any LEO's who care if anyone recently got a ticked for a saftey inspection. They / I care about warrants. Many of which are for failure to appear on a citation after signing "promise to appear".
The presents of alcohol or guns are a big concern to officers dispatched to a family fight. That questions is always asked the person reporting the fight, by the dispatcher. Most homes around here have guns, lots, its part of our life style.
Many, if not most, instructors for Utah concealed firearms permits are LEOs. I have not heard any concerns, by LEOs about legal concealed carry. WE (those in my circle) APPROVE.
I know less about the feelings of Big city LEOs
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The presents of alcohol or guns are a big concern to officers dispatched to a family fight. That questions is always asked the person reporting the fight, by the dispatcher. Most homes around here have guns, lots, its part of our life style.
Many, if not most, instructors for Utah concealed firearms permits are LEOs. I have not heard any concerns, by LEOs about legal concealed carry. WE (those in my circle) APPROVE.
I know less about the feelings of Big city LEOs
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City LEO's over time built up a mental list of who are good and who are bad. A few times ive been told to stand over here out of the way while they search a subject of interest.
Most educational; especially if city friends are not the sort to be law abiding.
Most educational; especially if city friends are not the sort to be law abiding.
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I think he probably meant the registration sticker, which you can't get unless you pass safety. It seems that the reason many folks don't renew their registration is being unable to pass the safety inspection, or at least not getting around to doing it. Just my guess.
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I had no intention of this going this direction. Maybe I was being a bit niave, but lets not forget that "our" information is already out there and has been for a long time. In fact I am amazed at the level of scrutiny that we don't experience.
For our society to turn into a "big brother" state, our government would have to expand exponentially for them to keep track and manipulate us all. With our current financial situation, I cannot see that happening any time soon.
In addition, I would offer that there are still way too many members of our government out there who believe in the fundamentals of our constitution for anything like an Orwellian "1984" to happen, (plus members of boards such as this that would not allow such a thing).
I think for our own health, we need to believe in our own model of government. Even though relatively young, our system of government has proven a workable and just system; a true testimony to the framers of our constitution. If we choose not to believe in our system, then I think paranoia is a very real possibility.
Just my .02
For our society to turn into a "big brother" state, our government would have to expand exponentially for them to keep track and manipulate us all. With our current financial situation, I cannot see that happening any time soon.
In addition, I would offer that there are still way too many members of our government out there who believe in the fundamentals of our constitution for anything like an Orwellian "1984" to happen, (plus members of boards such as this that would not allow such a thing).
I think for our own health, we need to believe in our own model of government. Even though relatively young, our system of government has proven a workable and just system; a true testimony to the framers of our constitution. If we choose not to believe in our system, then I think paranoia is a very real possibility.
Just my .02
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Ragnar Danneskjold
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I would also, even maybe rather, like to know if the residence has dogs on property more than guns.
I think a "household without guns" tag would be easier to implement in Montana. Followed by, "no, seriously" so the officers wouldn't mistake it for a joke. I'm sure the LEOs would be very, very wary as they approached such a house. Who are these weird people?
CCW apps are public record here, I believe (a newspaper recently did a story about which state legislators were packing), so it seems unlikely that the police wouldn't have access to that database. I can't see how it would harm one's interaction with a police officer, though. It might even place you more solidly in the category "law-abiding," in fact. After all, you went through a whole process to make sure you were legally carrying.
I can't say I know what preconceived notions, if any, cops already have about CCW permit holders, though.
CCW apps are public record here, I believe (a newspaper recently did a story about which state legislators were packing), so it seems unlikely that the police wouldn't have access to that database. I can't see how it would harm one's interaction with a police officer, though. It might even place you more solidly in the category "law-abiding," in fact. After all, you went through a whole process to make sure you were legally carrying.
I can't say I know what preconceived notions, if any, cops already have about CCW permit holders, though.
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My agency can add information to any person's house or their personal information. However, I have never seen a "tag" for a CCW.
If we run a more in depth check on your license it will bring up the CCW status, but a standard check (the one we use 99% of the time) does not.
I would like to know if there are firearms at the house I am going to. On the other hand, I try to assume there is always a firearm anyway.
Remember, for every one LEO that wants to take away your guns, there are 10 that will fight to let you keep them.
If we run a more in depth check on your license it will bring up the CCW status, but a standard check (the one we use 99% of the time) does not.
I would like to know if there are firearms at the house I am going to. On the other hand, I try to assume there is always a firearm anyway.
Remember, for every one LEO that wants to take away your guns, there are 10 that will fight to let you keep them.
TehK1w1
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I know several cyclists who have been pulled over and basically harrassed while riding their bikes. Some officers seem to think that bikes don't belong on the road, even though it's perfectly legal. That's nothing to what we get from everyday drivers though.
Ragnar Danneskjold
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Or it could be that they were breaking the law. Contrary to what many cyclists think, part of "we get to ride on the road" is that they are required by law to obey all of the same traffic laws as car drivers. Many cyclists don't particularly care about this fact, and I applaud any LEO who takes them to task for it.
flrfh213
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my truck is in my wifes name not mine, she does not have a cfl and i do, so that defeats the tagging system there. in my area county LEO are unable to find out about a cfl unless I inform them and that choice is mine, not required by law. cite leo see it on their tablets in car data so it is kinda a toss up if registered owner has cfl or not...
evan price
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In Ohio when you have a CCW license your information is automatically flagged in the LEADS database. When a check is run on a license plate registered to a CCW holder (or a check is run on ID) the LEO's data terminal will give the three-ding alert tone and red bar of text across the screen the same as for a felony warrant- the text states that a gun is present and a CCW is issued.
So yes, tagging is routinely done.
So yes, tagging is routinely done.
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Ohio automatically inputs it to LEADS. Comes up on the cruiser computer when they run your license. Don't know about tagging it to a residence.
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For the most part I would answer this question with a "No".
We do have the ability to add CAD notes to addresses ("cautions" for certain issues), but these things typically include mental health factors and things of that nature. For example, one address in my district always flags due to their hostility towards officers. The dispatcher usually reads it as: "the residents at this address have a history of fighting with the police, and call notes say to dispatch no less than 3 units for all calls". We also might have call notes on an address for mental health issues where we've had issues in the past (we have one old lady who calls us a few times each week to say that her home is being invaded).
Our dispatch system also allows our dispatchers to see previous calls to that address. So, as they dispatch a call of, say, a family disturbance the dispatcher might also say: "Premise history shows that we were out here in December on a call of a shooting". Our dispatchers will also relay information to us if a complainant has stated that they are currently armed. For instance, we may be dispatched to a burglary in progress, and the dispatcher may tell us: "be aware that the complainant says that she is armed with a revolver, and has locked herself in an upstairs bedroom".
I should also mention that here in Colorado your CCW permit will show up if I conduct a clearance on your name/driver's license.
Anyway, other than those types of examples, we really don't save any information concerning the presence of guns in a given household. To be honest, you pretty much have to be crazy, or simply trying to piss off the police, before you get your address flagged in my ghetto! FWIW, I work for a large city department, and my city isn't known for being the most pro-gun (granted, an "anti-gun" city in Colorado is far more pro-gun than a "pro-gun" city in NY or CA).
We do have the ability to add CAD notes to addresses ("cautions" for certain issues), but these things typically include mental health factors and things of that nature. For example, one address in my district always flags due to their hostility towards officers. The dispatcher usually reads it as: "the residents at this address have a history of fighting with the police, and call notes say to dispatch no less than 3 units for all calls". We also might have call notes on an address for mental health issues where we've had issues in the past (we have one old lady who calls us a few times each week to say that her home is being invaded).
Our dispatch system also allows our dispatchers to see previous calls to that address. So, as they dispatch a call of, say, a family disturbance the dispatcher might also say: "Premise history shows that we were out here in December on a call of a shooting". Our dispatchers will also relay information to us if a complainant has stated that they are currently armed. For instance, we may be dispatched to a burglary in progress, and the dispatcher may tell us: "be aware that the complainant says that she is armed with a revolver, and has locked herself in an upstairs bedroom".
I should also mention that here in Colorado your CCW permit will show up if I conduct a clearance on your name/driver's license.
Anyway, other than those types of examples, we really don't save any information concerning the presence of guns in a given household. To be honest, you pretty much have to be crazy, or simply trying to piss off the police, before you get your address flagged in my ghetto! FWIW, I work for a large city department, and my city isn't known for being the most pro-gun (granted, an "anti-gun" city in Colorado is far more pro-gun than a "pro-gun" city in NY or CA).
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It depends on the software the jurisdiction uses for their CAD program. Our could put a "tag" on an address. As one address in our case could have hundred of residents, it is of no use. Tagging it to a name is not possible.
As far as tagging a dl, that is not possible by a municipality. The state Dav could possibly do something along those lines but it is not universal. I know NJ does not.
As far as a database for ownership, (NJ reference) the town has files of the FUD and handgun purchase permits. Ours were in a separate filing system with a reference by Applicant Number and name. We never established a actual database of applicants. Nor was there an interest in doing so. I'm sure on the state level there was such a database.
Exactly why we never did it. Updating takes a tremendous amount of staff time. The only database we maintained on a municipal level was emergency medical requirements for use during storms or extended power outages.
As far as tagging a dl, that is not possible by a municipality. The state Dav could possibly do something along those lines but it is not universal. I know NJ does not.
As far as a database for ownership, (NJ reference) the town has files of the FUD and handgun purchase permits. Ours were in a separate filing system with a reference by Applicant Number and name. We never established a actual database of applicants. Nor was there an interest in doing so. I'm sure on the state level there was such a database.
Exactly why we never did it. Updating takes a tremendous amount of staff time. The only database we maintained on a municipal level was emergency medical requirements for use during storms or extended power outages.
Wolfebyte
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not entirely true.
Texas adds your CHL/CCW information to the TCIC Wanted returns QW. (Texas Crime Information Center - Query Wanted), not to your Driver's License or Vehicle information. So if an officer runs your Texas Driver's license only, it will not show any CHL/CCW information on you. However, if the dispatcher runs a package, Driver's License, and Wanted query, the CHL will show up on the QW return.
if your vehicle is coming back "tagged" it's done by someone inhouse, and not by the state.
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I don't believe I like the idea of the cops tagging a house with weapons information. I believe tagging is a invasion of privacy and legal action could be taken. I am sure my town would not allow the police dept or the fire dept. to do it. People move and it could cause major problems for the new buyer/renter. My Florida drivers license is not tagged with my CCW permit nor is my name. I would be the first to bring legal action against any organization that releases any of my private/personal information with out my permission.
wally
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I'd consider it very foolish to not assume guns are present at where the police get called to. I'd never count on some computer database to be 100% accurate.
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wally said:
No one ever relies on these systems to protect us on the street, nor do we assume that the information is 100% accurate. Still, we do gain some useful information out of call notes.
Just last night I went to a house where a crazy suicidal teenager tried to go for a large knife when we contacted her. We always go into these situations knowing that anything is possible, and sometimes things do get hinky. But, it sure never hurts to be told by our dispatcher that there is a history of a violent suicidal individual in the residence.
Now, mind you, I'm not talking about cataloging your average gun owner in the CAD system, I'm just saying that the information provided by these call notes is appreciated and useful to responding officers, even though we already expect that anything can/will happen!
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