Quote Makarova ---“You didn't answer my post about the number of police assaulted by CHLs. I dont know where to get those stats…”
This information is not available anywhere at the federal level that I know of because they have not started a separate category for CHL holders, which the qualifications for vary from state to state. There may be state records of such, but I’m not aware of them.
Whoops…I found some for Texas. No other state as of yet.
Here is the link………
http://www.txchia.org/sturdevant2000.htm
It appears that there are approx. 1100 arrests per 100,000 residents of Texas for a violent crime committed by general population (male) in 2000.
There are approx. 175 arrests per 100,000 residents of Texas for a violent crime committed by a CHL holder (male) in 2000.
Female stats are much lower to the point that I cannot guess just looking at the graph, but there is a similar relationship.
Quote Markova---“That being that you need a really good reason to infringe a fundamental civil right. You haven't addressed that point either.”
I think some of you guys are arguing about the “probability” of a CHL holder doing harm to a LEO. Since my time as a LEO I have disarmed 2 people. That’s it. Most I just say “that’s fine” and get on with it. I don’t routinely disarm people, but if in a sensitive situation or a situation that I feel I need more control over, I have the right, and should to disarm so that nobody gets shot. (Think, suspicious activity fitting a certain M.O. or violent activity or drunkenness). I hope that addresses that.
I think some here think that the police do not respect the 2nd Amendment, but then explain why we are here? On a gun forum? I vote 2nd Amendment (and make my vote count by not tossing it away with Libertarian votes). I’m NRA, I’m LEAA (which is the ONLY group of law enforcement dedicated to victims advocacy and the 2nd Amendment rights of ordinary citizens.) If you want your voice heard, get active, I recommend you join the LEAA and or NRA if you have not already. Otherwise we’ve just got a lot of hot wind here.
Quote Makarova----“and I hope you will take up my challenge on the two points I brought up.”
Hey, as long as the conversation is civil and an exchange of knowledge and ideals (not beating a dead horse) we can talk.
Quote CropCircle-----“I think there is some kind of rule in the le community that goes like, "Do not ever give up your piece." (paraphrased) Am I wrong about that?”
Yep, couldn’t be more wrong. Many times going into a jail, prison, psych facility and occasional other “secured” locations you are required to surrender your weapon. This is actually routine. As for a cop disarming another cop at a traffic stop? Not very routine, I’m not sure why it happened to me and a lot of other cops would have been upset, but at the time I was out of my jurisdiction and not acting in a LEO capacity. Primary jurisdiction always wins. It’s kind of hard to explain, but it does happen and as far as I know, there is no “rule” other than regardless of your rank, your agency and your authority, the guy on scene in the uniform is in control, this is a safety issue.
Quote Cropcircle---“How come the cops have to take my piece apart and unload it and do other unsafe handling to unfamiliar firearms before they return it? If you don't mind being disarmed by the cop in the traffic stop, do you mind when they return your "Weapon" in a box in pieces?”
You assume that cops are unfamiliar with your firearm. I find that some cops are not gun aficionados, others are, but MOST if not all (there are one or two loose screws I’m sure) know how to unload almost any weapon you throw at them. As for handing your weapon back to you in pieces, I’m not sure about that. A basic field strip is not a big deal and I’ve never met someone who does so. Most the officers I know if they secure a weapon just unload it. Occasionally they may even remove the bullets from the magazine, but I haven’t seen anyone field strip one. As for why they do that? I guess handing a loaded gun to a stranger makes them nervous for some reason. It could be them, it could be you.
Quote Hawkeye---“or do they want to take it from the holster?”
In my case the officer told me to keep my hands on the wheel and removed the gun directly from my holster. (There was a question as to the validity of my police I.D. no instant NICS or TLETS available.)
Quote Hawkeye---“I mean, even if they tell you to do it, their squad car video would only pick up a perp reaching for a weapon, and it would go down as a good shoot, wouldn't it?”
Most police agencies that use dash cams also use microphones. What is said and done is heard. Normally if a cop asks you to hand them your weapon, say “Sir, I’d feel more comfortable if you’d get it.” He’ll either say never mind or retrieve it. Unless you’re acting weird, he’ll likely say, “just leave it there” or “just keep your hands in sight” or something like that.
Quote---9/7 (Nineseven)“I believe I said (or meant to say) assaults with injuries as far as the automatically reported assaults.”
Assault with injuries are likely to be charged, but not all injuries are assaults and not all assaults end up in injuries. You are speaking of “aggravated assault”? I think there is more balance then you know, though you are right, a lot of crime goes unreported. Scholars have been debating for years which is the greater crime indicator the UCR or NCVS. You would be one who subscribes to the NCVS.
Quote----9/7“Despite some claims that I am a cop basher, I have a great number of friends and acquaintances that are police officers”
The universal qualifier.
There....now I belive I've answered everything.