Random thoughts on Lever Rifles

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Was looking at a Ruger .22 lever-action at the local gun shop and happened into a conversation about rifles with a fellow there who said he had no idea why they even made lever-actions anymore. Turns out he is a bolt-action fan and has a couple acres of assorted bolt-action rifles and his primary sport is shooting tiny groups at 100yds. from a bench. That got me thinking about the popularity (and unpopularity) of lever rifles.

The sport of bench shooting is popular (and fun) and bolt guns are much more convenient to fire from a bench than lever rifles. Also, though a few lever rifles have been made with detachable box magazines, the more common levers all require the shooter to unload by working all the ammo through the action - which is a.) slow, b.) makes the rifle "live" several times while unloading, c.) can batter the tips of the bullets, and d.) gives the shooter the chore of catching the rounds as they are ejected. And too, it's a bit easier to load/unload a single round in a bolt than in most lever rifles. So, yeah, I can see how some folks could find the lever-actions less appealing.

But on the other side of the coin - there are folks like me whose Zodiac sign is The Plinker and the lever-actions are so much fun to shoot offhand at plinking-type targets it's hard to imagine why anyone would want some fuddy-duddy bolt gun. And of course there is the sex appeal of the lever rifle which is TOTAL as opposed to ZERO for any other rifle action (except the single-shot).
Also, a practiced lever-man will fire much faster than the any bolt-action boy and, while that may or may not be important when hunting, it is crucial when defending one's self against empty shotgun hulls, large wood chips, plastic soda bottles, poker chips and similar dangerous game. I think it is a very telling thing too that the "mostly for Fun" centerfire cartridges (.357 magnum and .44 magnum) are now always chambered in lever-guns - never bolt-guns - simply because the lever-action rifle is a Natural for the Fun Shooting people love to do with those Fun Calibers.

Scoped bolt-actions came along with the "magnum-itis" movement - after all, no one was going to buy a rifle that would shoot farther than they could aim well, and now we have a couple generations of hunters/shooters who have no idea of how effective iron sights can be.... and methinks that is another reason they shun the lever guns - simply because the classics weren't designed to be so "scope-friendly". What they lose, though, is the absolutely wonderful "portability" of an iron-sighted lever rifle. Slogging around with an overweight scoped bolt-gun all day has become so much the norm that it is always a hoot to listen to someone who has spent their first day hunting with a Winnie 94 or Marlin 336 because invariably they think they have just discovered the sweetest handing rifle on the planet. It's like they just found out the difference between dancing with the homecoming queen instead of all the fat girls.:D

And even though everyone jaws on and on ad nauseum about those 300-1000yd. shots, the fact is most game harvested cleanly is shot well within the range of the calibers commonly chambered for lever-action rifles and those calibers are imminently suited for such shots - much more so than the rocket-launchers many people hunt with today. The exception, of course, is varminting and the dedicated varmint sniper is rightfully wedded to the bolt-gun - absolutely no question about that even though some lever-guns can be found in the usual varmint calibers.

Though my Remington 700 VLS with it's high-power scope and exquisite trigger is a purely grand rifle and I am constantly tempted to get a Remington Model 7 bolt-gun - I gotta say - for sheer "shootability", "huntability" and pure Fun, the lever-action rifle is still Da Man.

;)
 
I agree! After having a couple of rimfire lever guns my whole shooting life, I finally moved up to a 336, and I'm definitely on the path to one in 45/70, 38/357, 44sp/44mag, 17HMR, and anything else they'll make 'em in!
 
Most if not all of your points are right on the money.
Speaking for myself here, but likely this applies to many of us(especially us folks out west). The reason I tote a 9lb bolt gun up and down mountains for miles at a time, in a caliber larger than needed, and spend a lot of time practicing at ranges well beyond 300 yards, is for the 2% of the time that it may be required. I hunt mostly public land for mule deer, and my standards are relatively high(I won't consider shooting a buck under 160.) So after slogging around the mountains at 10,000 feet or higher for a week or 2, when I see a 30 inch buck at 420 yards as light is fading, I don't want to be standing there with my winchester 94 trapper model in 44 mag. The thing is, like you say, that scenario is waaayyy the exception. Of all the decent muley bucks I've taken, there are only 2 that I can honestly say I think may not be on the wall had I had my lever gun instead. And when I do take it out hunting for javelina or whatever, I say exactly what you said we say..."wow this is the sweetest handling rifle on the planet".
An interestesting tradeoff to be sure, and Shawnee has articulated his point well.
A friend of mine was buying a truck a few months back, and asked my advice on a number of different aspects, one of which was 4wd. I told him to get a 4wd. He pulled up a few weeks ago and had decided to get a 2wd, his logic being that esp. here in AZ, 98% of the time 4wd is not needed. That is correct, but my personal experience in trapsing around the mountains of the west is that on the occassions I truly need 4wd, I really need it! I think it is similar in the rifle situation we are talking about it, I'm planning for the rare scenario that doesn't happen very often, at the expense of lugging around a rifle that, 98% of the time, is more than I need.
 
more common levers all require the shooter to unload by working all the ammo through the action

That is about the only downside of lever actions IMHO. It really only applies to hunting and is just something a shooter needs to learn to do safely.

I do not see the appeal of bench shooting, but to each his own. I love bolt guns and I love lever actions. My Dad never allowed lever actions because of the safety issues mentioned above, so I discovered them later in life than bolt actions and auto-loaders.

I will carry my scoped bolt rifle when I'm planning to spend one of the first days of the season in a deer stand, but my favorite deer hunting days are when the deer aren't moving and I trudge around in the puckerbrush with a Marlin - kicking deer to other hunters and once-in-a-while getting a worthwhile shot for myself. :)
 
On the rimfire side, I own a cz and a Savage .22 that are both tack drivers. But my .22 that is most fun to plink and woods loaf with is a Henry that I paid $99 for at Walmart when they first came out.
 
Nothing at all wrong with lever guns. I have a bunch of them and have hunted with them exclusively for the last 20 years. I have bolt actions in various calibers but none are as fun to carry and shoot as the levers. For folks wanting a long range lever gun Marlin has the new 308 Marlin Express that will take game past 300 yards. Marlin also has a new 338 Marlin Express coming out next year. The 45-70, .35 Rem, and the old 30-30 can still do the job very well. I have taken several deer with a 30-30 at 200 yards. Killed a 420 pound boar Black Bear in VA a few years back with one shot from my 30-30. Was a 60 yard shot and the boar fell dead before I could get on him with a second shot. Also took a nice 6 point bull elk in CO with a Win 94 BB .375. Another one shot kill. For me hunting is about hunting and not shooting 1000 yards at whatever I see.

I fell victum to having to have flatter, faster shooting bolt guns and calibers but came back to my levers. For those who don't hunt with a good lever gun you are missing out on a wonderful hunt.

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I own a few lever rifles and for those times I feel the need to shoot past 200yds, I just go for my Savage 99 in 308!!!

There are also other high powered cartridge lever rifles out there...

Browning BLR and the Winchester 88, both of those can fire accurately well past where most people shoot and all three can have a scope mounted without the empties hitting it on ejection.

Why limit yourself to bolt guns when you don't have to??? Levers are neat, a lot of fun, and becoming collectible so your investment keeps on getting better everyday!!!!!!;):cool:
 
more common levers all require the shooter to unload by working all the ammo through the action

As do more than a few bolt-action rifles.

I'm a big lever-action fan but the only one that I own wearing a scope is my Savage 99. I'm probably in the minority here but I much prefer my classic levers equipped with aperture sights. They handle in the woods so much better. My Winchester models 1886 and 94 carbines, my Marlin 39 levers (and my Remington 760 pump for that matter) all have Williams "FoolProof" micrometer peep sights installed.
 
the sex appeal of the lever rifle which is TOTAL as opposed to ZERO for any other rifle action (except the single-shot).
Sir - I beg to differ with you. My Taurus Thunderbolt is one sexy and fast slide action rifle (when it's working :D)
 
Happen to love my lever guns as well, especially my BLR in .308 which I happen to see as a grand mid point between the traditional lever and the scoped bolt gun. It is a bit heavier than the ole Winny 94, but handles far better than the average bolt gun, and give you pretty much the accuracy, at distance, of the average bolt which happens to be far greater than the ole winny 94.
 
Lever rifles rule

I own several 22 rifles, and if Obama gets elected and I can have only one, it would be a Winchester Model 94/22 Lever Action. Polished blue steel, satin finished walnut stock, and that slim lever action profile...sweet!

I also own and old Savage Model 99 in 250/3000. It's a great deer rifle. I wouldn't trade it for 10 bolt action rifles.
 
Since these are random thoughts on lever rifles, I wonder when someone is going to get around to making an 1895-style lever carbine with a 16"-18" hex bull bbl that will hold about 8-10 rounds of .223 fed off stripper clips? I know you can get a blr but 5 rounds of .223 in a removable magazine is less than ideal. As far as that goes, how about a blr with a fixed top-load magazine, or a full-length, flip-down side loading gate that compresses rounds down into the magazine while you load a new one on top?

That would be one hell of a truck/hog/varmint/saddle gun.
 
If it was not for nostalgia and movies, no one would be making leveractions. Perhaps the rimfires would have survived, but centerfire?

Most of the traditional leveractions on the market are based on 19th century designs. The best of those designs, models by Marlin and Winchester, are reliable and robust. And heavy.

Ever handled a M1886 in 45/70 or a M1895 in 30-06? Very heavy for the caliber.

19th century designs are heavy, expensive to build, not very accurate, limited capacity and are limited in what cartridges they can use.

I have two. A M1894 and a M336. They are fun. But my “serious” rifles are bolt guns.
 
If it was not for nostalgia and movies, no one would be making leveractions. Perhaps the rimfires would have survived, but centerfire?

Most of the traditional leveractions on the market are based on 19th century designs. The best of those designs, models by Marlin and Winchester, are reliable and robust. And heavy.

Ever handled a M1886 in 45/70 or a M1895 in 30-06? Very heavy for the caliber.

19th century designs are heavy, expensive to build, not very accurate, limited capacity and are limited in what cartridges they can use.

I have two. A M1894 and a M336. They are fun. But my “serious” rifles are bolt guns.

Sorry but I completely disagree. It is only the current movies (sniper/AR/AK) that is keeping the lever gun from a greater piece of the market. It is amazing to me how many shooters are getting an ole 94 or 336 once they actually hold and shoot one. Usually they comment on how fun they are, how good they feel, and how much they like to shoot them. A slick handling, handy rifle will never go outta style.
 
Good post Shawnee. I guess I'm a generalist, I regularly shoot single shot, bolt, semi and lever action rifles but for walking in the woods the old 94 in 32 Win Spcl is likely to be in my hands because of the weight, balance, quickness to point and fast back up shot and flat out reliability. Was good enough for Great grampa and its good enough for me. Sitting on stand though I'll want something with a bit longer reach but 3-4" groups at 100 yds with a lever gun older than me, (I'm 63) is plenty good for 99.5% or more of any game shots I get in the north woods. The last shot I had over 100 yards was in New Mexico a long time ago. Hope I never have to but if I had to pare my collection down it would eventually come down to a choice between an M1 and the 94.
 
I understand about the desire (and sometimes need) for a rifle that can reach out to the next county,

But I also know that hunters with bows, muzzleloaders and shotguns kill more than a million deer every year in this country and I simply cannot bring myself to think of a rifle with an effective range of 200-250yds. as a handicap.

:cool:
 
I just got my first, a 39A, and I'm in love. I already need another one. I have centerfire bolts, but not a dedicated deer rifle, and I'm pretty sure if someone asks me to knock down some deer, I'll hit up the local shop for a 336.

Something about it. The lines, the balance. Something American.
 
A slick handling, handy rifle will never go outta style.

Won't disagree with that. And what do you know, just read in Guns and Ammo that Mossberg has brought back a variant of the M1894.

Now, if someone brought the Savage 308 back, this time I would get one.
 
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