Ranger t or hydra shok .380 ammo
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azhunter122
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Both look pretty good but you my have some problems in court if you shoot a bg with black talons. I would definately look for tests on both brands becuase the .380 can be iffy.
velobard
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Check out the pics in this thread. I like the Barnes XPB all copper bullet, which is used in the Corbon DPX cartridges.
http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=4792199#post4792199
All three expended bullets are .380, the DPX in .380 is in the middle. An unfired .45 is shown for size comparison.
That's in the first post, there are some more good pics further down in the thread.
http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=4792199#post4792199
All three expended bullets are .380, the DPX in .380 is in the middle. An unfired .45 is shown for size comparison.
That's in the first post, there are some more good pics further down in the thread.
hotshotshoting
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hs work fine without cloth in front of it... do your ballistics test with cloth in front of it...
i recomend hs for naked people....
i recomend hs for naked people....
hotpig
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Black Talon was never made in .380. I would use the RA380T Ranger ammo.
James T Thomas
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380: either -or
Looks can be deceiving. It appears awesome, however...
With a 95 grain bullet and a velocity of approximately 900 fps, that expansion will consume so much kinetic energy; the velocity, that immediately following the exchange of energy, the slug will decelerate rapidly!
It has turned itself into a nickel.
There is a measure of bullet penetration called sectional density, and those light weight bullets that have used up most of their mass forming into a "coin" so to speak, have even less of this measure than the feeble, cylindrical projectile that they started out as.
Please view the expansion phenomena gelatin experiments. The expansion, if it is to work must have a threshold of velocity. Once expansion begins, it is abrupt. That is it goes to what ever maximum the conditions will allow, while traveling through the test medium in what is a short fraction of the over all penetration. It is not gradually expanding through the route it takes, but in travel of only several bullet lengths, or less, it has fully expanded.
Now, if the bullet is not massive, there remains no shank behind it of much, but rather you have a flattened disc for a projectile.
That is asking too much of a mere 380 ACP; for me, in that caliber, give me FMJ or at least SW bullets.
Looks can be deceiving. It appears awesome, however...
With a 95 grain bullet and a velocity of approximately 900 fps, that expansion will consume so much kinetic energy; the velocity, that immediately following the exchange of energy, the slug will decelerate rapidly!
It has turned itself into a nickel.
There is a measure of bullet penetration called sectional density, and those light weight bullets that have used up most of their mass forming into a "coin" so to speak, have even less of this measure than the feeble, cylindrical projectile that they started out as.
Please view the expansion phenomena gelatin experiments. The expansion, if it is to work must have a threshold of velocity. Once expansion begins, it is abrupt. That is it goes to what ever maximum the conditions will allow, while traveling through the test medium in what is a short fraction of the over all penetration. It is not gradually expanding through the route it takes, but in travel of only several bullet lengths, or less, it has fully expanded.
Now, if the bullet is not massive, there remains no shank behind it of much, but rather you have a flattened disc for a projectile.
That is asking too much of a mere 380 ACP; for me, in that caliber, give me FMJ or at least SW bullets.
LongRider
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I'd pass on the Rangers. Every test I have done or read show that Federal HST and Remmington Golden Sabers out perform Rangers in every way. HST have superior performance with consistent accuracy penetration and expansion no matter what they are are shot through or into. Rangers do not do well when shot through anything penetration and expansion is all over the map. They rarely expand with the so called talons and most often separate and look like ball ammo. HST is not made for 380 so Golden Saber is a solid option that also out performs Rangers though they do sometimes separate. Below is a rather meager comparison of Rangers to HST and Golden Saber
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I don`t know, the Win ranger don`t look to bad in these tests. http://stevespages.com/page8f380acp.html
memphisjim
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id go golden sabre
The Lone Haranguer
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Do these minor differences really matter? It is still only a .380. 
While I am a believer in using JHP bullets, the most important consideration by far is feed reliability. The highest-tech bullet in the world cannot do its job if it is stuck on the feed ramp.
While I am a believer in using JHP bullets, the most important consideration by far is feed reliability. The highest-tech bullet in the world cannot do its job if it is stuck on the feed ramp.
LongRider
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You may want to look at that again. The size measurement is a bit off due to that tab (talon?) still only .05 larger than the Golden Saber while 16.6 grains lighter having lost a fourth of its weight, hitting at .45 velocity with none of the mass. Note the complete lack of the famed talons. and that is on the second best expanded Ranger I have seen. My bet is you can not reproduce results as good as that example in more than one out of twenty shots, or at least that is my experience. That is my biggest concern is how much one round varies so much from the next. I think with a round this small even the smallest variance can be critical. The Golden Sabers I shot all expanded to dime size as seen in my picOl'Joe said:
burningsquirrels
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how about.... whichever works best in your gun. when that is equal... put either one in the center mass of a BG and i got five bucks he/she won't be able to tell the difference between either bullet.
MICHAEL T
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I'll keep my Corbon DPX I agree a COM hit and they can't tell brand W from X,Y,Z.
I think either Ranger T, Corbon DPX, Golden Saber, or Gold Dot in .380 would all do the job quite nicely to stop a perp. I agree that most BG's wouldn't be able to tell the difference if they're plugged a few times in the chest with any of these rounds. I would recommend against Hydra Shoks though. I tested those in water jugs and the expansion was nothing less than underwhelming.
burningsquirrels
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gotta also remember that water is water, gel is gel, and a human body is a mess of bones, tissues of varying density. water and gel are great, but i'd love to see some dead pig and cow tests like they do in the philippines lol...
burningsquirrels
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yeah, i have gold dots right now in my bersa 380 cc, and practice with just factory reloaded ball. the gold dots have a nice kick to them, i trust them to make someone say "ouch!"
Oh yeah Gold Dots! That is the other one I would use, in a .380 the bonded Gold Dots that do pretty well through clothing and penetration wise should be acceptable. Golden Sabers have done well in that caliber, so I also like those.
burningsquirrels
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over at brassfetcher it seems the gold dots do well in every caliber.
in 9mm, just because it was the only thing acceptable on the shelf, i carry rem golden sabers.
in 40 s&w, i have some old winchester personal protection, but i'll probably burn them up and go gold dot or federal HST as well.
in 9mm, just because it was the only thing acceptable on the shelf, i carry rem golden sabers.
in 40 s&w, i have some old winchester personal protection, but i'll probably burn them up and go gold dot or federal HST as well.
LongRider
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Which was my experince with Rangers (see pic) Wish I had taken pics of the .45 those were really sad. Especially, as I bought three hundred rounds since I expected them to be my carry rounds :banghead: Hate to see anyone else make the same mistakeEHL said:
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