centurion94
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Saw this in training a while back. Above poster is correct - this was a gang-on-gang shooting. This was shown in part to demonstrate an unwillingness to surrender and a commitment to keep fighting.
Saw this in training a while back. Above poster is correct - this was a gang-on-gang shooting. This was shown in part to demonstrate an unwillingness to surrender and a commitment to keep fighting.
According to the person who explained the video to me (an LEO trainer) the victim had been center punched 3 times with a .40 by the time he hit the floor. What positional and fighting things should have he been doing in such a state?He went for his gun when he should have been doing other positional things, and fighting things.
Ankeny said:According to the person who explained the video to me (an LEO trainer) the victim had been center punched 3 times with a .40 by the time he hit the floor. What positional and fighting things should have he been doing in such a state?
A 24 year-old man was murdered inside a shopping mall in the Metropolitan Region of Curitiba, in the late afternoon yesterday (18th).
B. Roberson Siqueira, 24, was shot 7 times by a 380 caliber pistol when he entered the mall through the doors.
The incident occurred in front of several people and was caught by security cameras of the mall.
According to witnesses of the execution, B. Roberson Siqueira fell from his bike in front of the mall and then was surrounded by two men who arrived shooting their pistols.
When down, the guy took more shots. The victim was armed with a .38 caliber revolver, which was taken by one of the killers.
According to the family of the victim , the crime was motivated by a settling of accounts.
According to relatives, he was being threatened since the beginning of the year when he was accused of being involved in the murder of a woman in Cologne Rio Grande, Sao Jose dos Pinhais.
His body was collected by the Forensic Institute (morgue) and followed for examination.
The investigations to arrest the killers must be made by the Police of Sao Jose dos Pinhais.
A witness told: I saw it, when the victim grabbed the leg of one of the killers, begging not to die, when he was shot, it seems to me in the face, the other killer struck another sequence of shots, now he had a gun in the other hand, probably the gun he stole from the victim.
After these last shots, the attackers fled.
(1) Staying on the ground is fatal. Victim never got back to his feet after stumbling inside. Thus he could not move effectively – run away, for instance – and was killed for it.
I didn't even imply that kind of nonsense. I have never believed in just giving up. Your sarcasm is misplaced. I just wanted to know what other positional and fighting things he should be doing rather than going for his own gun in an effort to return fire? It seems to me like he took what he thought was the best option and it just didn't work out. I doubt many would have thought, "Oh heck I better not draw my gun right now or I'll have it taken away and shoved up my behind."Clearly he should have given up; I guess he fought too long, and could have saved the effort by just rolling over and dying.
How on earth would you know that to be a fact?Fact is that trained responses could have saved his life, and it never hurts to be over-prepared.
Only because of those two circumstances, the gun jam of one attacker, and the second attacker not following indoors initially do we get to say getting to his feet would have been a better option.
...the victim spending a couple seconds getting to his feet would have just resulted in him being shot multiple times, in the back or in the front depending on whether he tried to run away or attack.
So... I'll offer up my armchair-warrior advice. He should have kept moving away while he was trying to get to his pistol. The attacker's weapon jammed and he was distracted, if he would have had even a few more feet of distance he may have been able to draw and fire before the attacker realized he was going for his weapon and closed in.