Both my Daystate Wolverine and my Umarex Gauntlet in 177 shoot a tighter groups than those at 25 yards.
After sighing in, I was able to pop off the bugs shown in my avatar at 25 yards with my Air Arms TX200.
Up to 50 yards and sometimes beyond, there are many Pre-charged Pneumatic air rifles that can easily hold there own against most 22 powder burners. They ain't your daddy's Daisy's.
After 3000 rounds, I would say the factory 10/22 is now sufficiently "broken in" with smoother factory trigger.Real world plinking ... with hot barrel ... Ruger 10/22 Collector #3 break in
Here's another update. BTW, I got Burris FF 6.5-20x50mm scope from Dack Outdoors for $169 - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...20x-50mm-169-9-shipping.893341/#post-12061424I'm glad to see this old thread back up again. I had forgot about it ... I have a couple of BX-25 mags coming to me from Dack Outdoors
After 26,000+ rounds shot the past 3 years out of several used 10/22s, new 10/22 Take Down and new 10/22 Collector #3 (Along with T/CR22 with slightly different order of accuracy results mostly confirmed by GSG 1911/Advantage Arms 22LR slide kit for Gen3 Glock 22 and CMMG 22LR conversion kit shot with several 16"/18"/20" ARs), here are my summary findings.Real world plinking ... 22LR ammo comparison ...
For this "real world" thread, factory 10/22 trigger was left stock to break in just with shooting to better reflect what an average "plinker" would do with their 10/22.After 3000 rounds, I would say the factory 10/22 is now sufficiently "broken in" with smoother factory trigger.
Now with over 3000 rounds fired with no additional cleaning/lubing, trigger has lightened further from 5 lbs to around 4.7 to 4.8 pounds.With over 2000 rounds fired and one cleaning with Hoppes #9 then lubed with WD40 Specialist, trigger is breaking right at 5 lbs.
Trigger is now noticeably smooth and lighter than new out of the box, which was around 7.5 lbs.
Since this is a "real world" thread, I thought about not doing a trigger polish job but thinking about swapping out the factory 10/22 trigger with T/CR22 factory trigger or trying out KIDD "trigger job" kit I am thinking about installing in the T/CR22 along with the KSA bull barrel - https://www.kiddinnovativedesign.co...-Sear-Disconnect-and-Trigger-blade_p_116.html... once most consistently accurate ammo is identified, I will do some "smallest" group shooting at 50 and maybe 75/100 yards. Accuracy goal? I will be happy if I get close to 1/2" at 50 yards but I will let "real world" dictate what happens on target.... do you have accuracy goals for 50 yard shooting?)
To me, the following had the most significant influence on the group size produced by "stock" 10/22 Collector #3 from most to least (At least my theory and opinion ):what improved your groups and what did not?
You could try this "real world" 50 yard challenge - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/myth-busting-“real-world”-22lr-50-yard-challenge.895021/... maybe put out some smaller targets for a challenge.
I have no interest in them. I have been at the range while other shooters had them. They were not quiet enough to go with out hearing protection so what is the big deal. It's just another way to spend money.
when I saw this thread I figured we were not good enough, but for fun I'll play ...You could try this "real world" 50 yard challenge - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/myth-busting-“real-world”-22lr-50-yard-challenge.895021/
Challenge rules:My hope is members "myth bust" or "confirm" actual accuracy of their 22LR rifles and ammunition.
- Without warm up, shoot one shot per circle.
- If bullet hole touches line, continue to smaller target (As steel plate would have moved).
- If hole is outside of line, stop shooting and submit target with information added to the table by taking a picture of completed target.
- Additional submissions can be done using different ammunition.
- NOTE: If you KNOW your rifle is capable of shooting sub 1" at 50 yards, I have no issues if you want to start out at 1". I think starting out with 2" circle would benefit those members with "non-match grade" rifles.
Here's the target pdf for the challenge - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...9/&temp_hash=1dd6363a6811f17cac47cc85e39e57e0
I will repeat the range test using ... Bushnell 6-18x50mm on the 10/22 with standard scope rings
Well, here's an interesting update.I thought about replacing the barrel and trigger but during the near 4000 round testing, I have grown fond of this 10/22 to where I may keep it just as it is, factory stock. But that may change after I do the "Accurizing 22LR on the cheap" thread.
4600 round barrel wear update - Modification work on 10/22 is continuing in the "Accurizing 22LR on the cheap" thread with additions of one-piece scope mount and Volquartsen trigger (Brought 4.5 lbs factory trigger pull down to 2.25 lbs). During Tactical Solutions V block installation to address under barrel gap/barrel droop, barrel was removed for second brushing of bore (First brushing was done for dirty vs clean barrel comparison) and took the opportunity to take some pictures of the chamber and rifling.I started this thread to reflect "real world" out-of-the-box shooting with minimal cleaning and monitor accuracy trend during barrel/trigger break-in with cheaper commercial "bulk" ammunition.
With component shortage, decided to shoot up stock piled 22LR ammunition to conserve reloading components for centerfire calibers. Between 10/22 and T/CR22, I shot around 8000 rounds so far and plan on shooting more until component prices fall and become more available.That's a lot of shooting.
I was pleasantly surprised by factory 10/22 barrel. While I expected rifling wear after several thousand rounds to affect accuracy, it seems to be shooting better now than ever and chamber/bore pictures show sharp and clean rifling after 4600 rounds with only 2 bore brushing. I am going to keep shooting until accuracy deteriorates.Your rifle obviously has a very good factory barrel.
T/CR22 factory barrel testing is done after almost 3000 rounds and I am moving onto KSA 16.5" bull barrel testing with promising initial groups now with one-piece scope mounts. BTW, I found your threads on RFC and have really appreciated the 10/22 accurizing information for the "22LR accurizing on the cheap" thread - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/real-world-accurizing-22lr-on-the-cheap.898035/After replacing the barrel with an after-market bull, it shot as well as my fantastic Shilen bull-barreled, fully tuned rifle.
I found the same while testing around 20 different brands/weights of 22LR ammunition in the "break in", "dirty vs clean barrel" and "accurizing" threads.It's amazing how much accuracy variation there is among various "target" ammos out there, as well as the fact that the best ammo for one 'tuned" rifle is often, but not always among the best in others.
You are very welcome and glad my "plinking fun" with 22LR is benefiting others. Hopefully, my range test results help save some money and ammunition for THR members identify mods/ammunition combo that will produce smaller groups.Thank you for all the testing and great information
Not all 10/22s are the same and some may benefit from free-floating the barrel and some may not. So do a good baseline/reference group shooting before free-floating the barrel for comparison to see if free-floating produces smaller groups. (Mine did and I verified several times on different range trips)I really enjoy shooting the 10/22 but would like to squeeze some more accuracy from the stock barrel so I am going to try your free float modifications to see if it has any affect.
Yes, I agree on the trigger.One thing I did was to change out the factory trigger to a Timney that has already made a big difference in the consistency of the shots
I liked my 10/22 Take Down, but after 26,000 round testing with different 10/22s, I found no matter how tight I got the barrel ring, any pressure on the forearm would deviate POI from POA which prompted me to buy 10/22 Collector #3 with fixed barrel for continued testing now approaching 34,000 rounds.I also have a 10/22 take down that is a decent shooter.
Aguila 40 gr CPRN (Aguila Prime) was used for 50 yard range test with following mods and parts replacement: (Will repeat range test with factory bolt and well rested hands for comparison)4600 round barrel wear update ... Tactical Solutions V block installation to address under barrel gap/barrel droop ... hopefully will result in tighter barrel mounting to receiver for smaller groups.
Will post an update with a range report.
Factory 10/22 bolt and pinned T/CR22 bolt groups were compared using Aguila 40 gr CPRN on Range Report #8 of "Accurizing 22LR on the cheap" thread - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...22lr-on-the-cheap.898035/page-2#post-12180149Will repeat range test with factory bolt