Recommend Quick Release scope mount?

[SunnySlopes]

I'm looking at American Defense brand. Hopefully a brand that will not necessitate re-zeroing after removed and reinstalled? Usage is not for precision target work but rather for hogs/deer sized target at <200 yards?

Is that a good brand? Anybody recommend a particular model within that brand?

thnx

 

[SharpDog]

I have learned to get quality mounts because they will be truer to cylindrical. I have switched to Scalarworks (over $400) but they are expensive. The Scalarworks are also the lightest and are auto leveling. Most of the good mounts seem to be out of stock everywhere. These include Warne ($200) Midwest Industries ($160) and Burris (under $90) for AR style mounts and Warne for QD ring mounts ($51)

https://www.opticsplanet.com/s/qd-s...bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Scope+Mounts>US>DSA&utm_term=mounts&utm_content=Scope+Mounts>DSA>US

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0002IOFJ2/?tag=tgz1-20

 

[SunnySlopes]

Thanks for the response.

American Defense are right around $200 per. Give or take. And MidwayUSA has them in stock.

That seems like decent quality to me, but I'll check your suggestions as well. I don't think I need a $400 mount for a hog/man sized target at <200 yards?

Thanks again.

 

[3Crows]

Warne QR rings. They are steel. They are solid. They return to zero. They are sleek (vertical split). They can take heavy recoil. They just work!



I have them on several rifles including the two Marlin 1895 SBLs above.

3C

 

[Varminterror]

For my comfort and confidence, and for the exceptionally low demand of taking 1-3 shots to confirm zero, I don’t personally blindly trust any QD mounts to return to zero. Not perfectly so, at least. Most I have used DO return within a click or two, always, but I don’t like potential “questions” in my gear, so I check upon reinstallation, and I don’t make a habit of removing and replacing willy-nilly in the field.

Burris, AD, Warne, and Alaska Arms QD’s have all repeated very well for me. But also, almost any quality set of rings or mount when reinstalled in the same slots in a pic rail, indexed to stop against the front, and tightened to the same torque will repeat very well, so almost any mount or rings can be a QD if you carry a Fixit Stick.

 

[mcb]

I have a Kinetic Development Group KDG Sidelok scope mount on an AR-15. You can get it for 1-inch, 30m and 34mm rings and even interchange rings if you need to retask the base. I have had pretty good luck taking it off and back on. It seems to return to the same point of impact within about 1-MOA or slightly better. The gun only shoots about 1.5-MOA so for 200 yards or less it works great. Will run you about $220.

 

[3Crows]

Burris, AD, Warne, and Alaska Arms QD’s have all repeated very well for me. But also, almost any quality set of rings or mount when reinstalled in the same slots in a pic rail, indexed to stop against the front, and tightened to the same torque will repeat very well, so almost any mount or rings can be a QD if you carry a Fixit Stick.

The Warne (and other similar) do not require tools. The lever is snugged down to secure, no need for torque wrenches. For precision shooting out beyond two hundred yards or further maybe one would need to check zero, not sure. But the rifles I have used them on do return to zero or so close as not to matter. But, of course, when my rifles make single holes bigger than some folks groups, maybe good enough is good enough. "My rifle shoots under MOA", well, okay, my rifle shoots MOA sized holes, ha!

I like the vertical splits because wile they are a bit different to install, they are so sleek and add no width to a lever gun or other svelte rifle.

3C

 

[mcb]

Love Fix-It-Sticks! Varmiterror is right though most quality mounts combined with consistent torque will repeat as well or better than most QD mounts. I have had good luck using Fix-It-Stick and Leupold and even Vortex rings going off and back on with good results. I got a deal on the KDG Sidelok (because it was the 1-inch version no one wanted) and gave it a go. For a tool-less QD mount it is both very secure (it takes very deliberate action to unlock and release from the rail) and goes back on very quickly and repeats better than some QD mounts I have tried.

 

[BigBL87]

For my comfort and confidence, and for the exceptionally low demand of taking 1-3 shots to confirm zero, I don’t personally blindly trust any QD mounts to return to zero. Not perfectly so, at least. Most I have used DO return within a click or two, always, but I don’t like potential “questions” in my gear, so I check upon reinstallation, and I don’t make a habit of removing and replacing willy-nilly in the field.

I don't personally use QD mounts, and what's mentioned here is a big part of why. QD is super convenient, don't get me wrong, but in a setup where hundredths or thousandths of an inch can make a difference, I'd still want to rezero after remounting so for ME it's not worth it. I'll stick with standard mounts.

Now, that being said, I do have an American Defense QD bipod adapter for switching my bipod between rifles. It's well made and has held up to plenty of use. I'm sure their optics mounts are of the same quality.

 

[Varminterror]

The Warne (and other similar) do not require tools. The lever is snugged down to secure, no need for torque wrenches. For precision shooting out beyond two hundred yards or further maybe one would need to check zero, not sure. But the rifles I have used them on do return to zero or so close as not to matter. But, of course, when my rifles make single holes bigger than some folks groups, maybe good enough is good enough. "My rifle shoots under MOA", well, okay, my rifle shoots MOA sized holes, ha!

I like the vertical splits because wile they are a bit different to install, they are so sleek and add no width to a lever gun or other svelte rifle.

3C

Read my post again.

I commented specifically about QD mounts and rings, followed by adding that QD mounts are not unique in their repeatability - and rather any quality rings and mounts can repeat well back to zero, and can be removed quickly and efficiently with field expedient tools.

Not quite sure of the relevance of your comments about large caliber holes. Maybe you’re of the impression you’re the only guy around shooting 45 cal leverguns? Even with my leverguns, I don’t like sending bullets after deer which could be an inch or more off from where I intended.

 

[3Crows]

Read my post again.

I commented specifically about QD mounts and rings, followed by adding that QD mounts are not unique in their repeatability - and rather any quality rings and mounts can repeat well back to zero, and can be removed quickly and efficiently with field expedient tools.

I did read what you said and the OP did not specify range or rifle type. Though I suspect he may mean an AR type rifle now.

And read what I said, I do not like needing tools to remove and replace a scope in the field. But, yes, I agree, a quality mount can be removed and installed and with a torque wrench and careful reinstallation should return to zero as good or better than an on purpose QR ring, but not as conveniently.

As to the bigger calibers, the point is that the need for an exact return to zero is more important as pointed out for longer range shooting, something not usually undertaken with precision as a priority with big bore rifles.

And if we are not just having a friendly conversation I am bowing out as I respect you and enjoy your comments. Not really sure why we are arguing since I do not really disagree with anything you said, save for the need for tools.

3C

 

[SunnySlopes]

almost any mount or rings can be a QD if you carry a Fixit Stick.

Any advantage to a racheting fix it stick t handle over the basic model?

 

[mcb]

Any advantage to a racheting fix it stick t handle over the basic model?

I have both handles in my Fix-it-Stick collection and unless you are frequently running fairly long fasteners with it it's probably not worth the extra cost. They are nice but if your on a tight budget not a requirement.

 

[Varminterror]

Any advantage to a racheting fix it stick t handle over the basic model?

I haven’t found the “basic,” non-ratcheting handle to be any disadvantage. Other than stock screws, nothing we’re doing with firearms screws has long screws with a lot of travel, or screws in tight spaces such we need, or really even benefit from ratcheting action.

 

[jmorris]

For my comfort and confidence, and for the exceptionally low demand of taking 1-3 shots to confirm zero, I don’t personally blindly trust any QD mounts to return to zero.

I always like to have peace of mind as well.

Long ago I machined a little two piece split set collar style, V block and welded two bolts together at 90 deg.

Idea being that I can drive the laser to the point of first optic zero, then swap optics, confirm it’s at the same point, then remove fixture.



Now, on my pig rifles now that may have a daytime optic then switch to a thermal after dark, I just keep a pistol laser on them. Really helps if you have someone with you and want to “point” in the dark as well.



That said, I have had good results with a number of them Larue mounts are probably my favorite but not the cheapest that work (the ones 3Crows posted in #4 are, as far as toolless ones go).

I don’t test new ones to me hunting though. Save that for a day at the range, when changes are more easily noted and confidence in them can be earned.

 

[Varminterror]

@jmorris - I’ve also used the same principle in the past, using a laser boresighter and a calibration target to define reference “offsets” for each of several of my installed scopes for a given load. It does generally work well. But having a range at hand, it’s a matter of minutes, trading nickels, to shoot a few rounds live versus confirming with the laser.

The laser is certainly quieter, and could be deployed in the field, even while hunting, more readily than scaring off game with live fire test shots.

 

[greyling22]

Utg just released their new qd mount. No idea if it will return to zero well, but it is certainly cheaper. I've been pleased with their non-qd mounts when money is a factor.

 

[jmorris]

@jmorris - I’ve also used the same principle in the past, using a laser boresighter and a calibration target to define reference “offsets” for each of several of my installed scopes for a given load. It does generally work well. But having a range at hand, it’s a matter of minutes, trading nickels, to shoot a few rounds live versus confirming with the laser.

The laser is certainly quieter, and could be deployed in the field, even while hunting, more readily than scaring off game with live fire test shots.

If I need to find a zero with new stuff that’s a bit different than making everything go to the same, already confirmed, aim point.

If I don’t know where the bullet is going I always fire to find out where, adjust, then confirm, zero.

Like this.

 

[FL-NC]

Larue rings and mounts are of better quality than the QD setups from AD, GG&G, and 100x better than ARMS. The Larue setups won't always return 100%, but they will be closer than any other brand, and the materials used are unquestionably superior to the competition.

 

[243winxb]

I have swapped between scope & aperture sights many times on this Mossberg. Never more then a few clicks to get zero again.

Old Weaver mounts just need a screw driver to remove scope & the price should not break the bank.

 

[Seamaster31]

I use the Warne QD rings on my DG rifles. They work quite well for that purpose.

 

[Zak Smith]

ADM
LaRue
Spuhr

I've had good results with all of those

 

[JCooperfan1911]

Warne QR rings. They are steel. They are solid. They return to zero. They are sleek (vertical split). They can take heavy recoil. They just work!

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I have them on several rifles including the two Marlin 1895 SBLs above.

3C

+1 on the Warnes. Have some on my Steyr’s scouting piece:

 

[TonyAngel]

I don't believe in putting a $1K scope into a $30 mount; I don't believe in using quick detach mounts and I don't believe that you have to spend $400 for a good mount.

Over the course of years that I've been messing with ARs I've come to settle on Warne mounts. They aren't the lightest, but aren't the heaviest either. The ones with the 1/2" nuts are solid and do a pretty darn good job of returning the zero if you apply the recommended 65 in/lbs of torque. If you need to pull your optic in the field, all it takes is a wrench. I have one that I cut off so that it fits into my grip. The Warne mounts tighten kinda like the Geissele mounts do. You turn the wrench and the nut kinda tells you when to stop. It just stops at a point where you know you're going to need to really kung fu grip it to get it to turn any more.

Warne also uses steel insert in their MSR mounts so you're much less likely to strip anything.