Regions Bank No Guns Tennessee
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This is a bad idea, don't do this; follow the laws please.
razorback2003
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Yeah these signs have to be in accordance with the Tennessee laws. The law is very complicated and honestly a mess right now. Some decent lawyers are even calling the law gray and I even think it is gray and would be hard to truly enforce if you actually went to court.
In theory, those with permits can be slapped with a 500 dollar misdemeanor fine IF caught and convicted. In Tennessee, a misdemeanor must be done in front of a LEO to be charged. It would be a big hassle for both a LEO and business owner/manager to actually go to court to appear in front of the prosecutor in order for you to be fined the five hundred bucks. This is why 99.9% of the time IF a place has a sign and someone sees your gun because you messed up and didn't conceal right, you are asked to leave, you leave quietly, and nothing happens.
On principle, the whole thing is silly. Someone who has a permit should not worry about being fined in the first place five hundred bucks over a sign. That is why we paid for a permit was to keep from being fined for a weapons charge.
In theory, those with permits can be slapped with a 500 dollar misdemeanor fine IF caught and convicted. In Tennessee, a misdemeanor must be done in front of a LEO to be charged. It would be a big hassle for both a LEO and business owner/manager to actually go to court to appear in front of the prosecutor in order for you to be fined the five hundred bucks. This is why 99.9% of the time IF a place has a sign and someone sees your gun because you messed up and didn't conceal right, you are asked to leave, you leave quietly, and nothing happens.
On principle, the whole thing is silly. Someone who has a permit should not worry about being fined in the first place five hundred bucks over a sign. That is why we paid for a permit was to keep from being fined for a weapons charge.
jimmyraythomason
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I think this is a point that we all can agree with.
oldfool
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I am not trying to talk anybody into doing business where they don't want to, really, no kidding. It was getting pretty mean spirited for awhile there, that's all.
and the mason jar thing was said solely in jest (although a member of my own family did just that some years ago... eventually dug it up, I guess).. not something I would seriously suggest to anyone, regardless
doing it all on the internet, sure, can do that
(as said, I myself set foot inside a bank maybe once a year, if even that; I do my thing via auto-deposit, ATM, and internet)
But we all know there really are (tragically), no shortage of real world businesses whose owners are blatantly anti-gun, and we would not choose to enrich them with our patronage, via either brick-n-mortar or internet. On-line banking, how would you know ? They might be corporati personas who really hate guns and gun owners, but they are in the money business, and they are not confused about that; it's not like they are going to plaster a No Guns Allowed sign on their web-site. They may be greedy, and cheat people on CD returns (or not), but they are not stupid, they do want your money.
You may not have to look at that stupid sign "in your face", but you will probably never know whether or not you are contributing more to the wrong cause (people), than by just doing your banking "at home". Internet only businesses are a bit like internet forum folk, very easily anonymous.
Better you just don't know vs. knowing for certain ?
Fair enough reason, I won't argue against it, might well be the better choice; happiness really is related to not having to always know everything.
Why do banks put such signs on their doors ?
I don't know.
You could ask 'em if they have prior provided you w/ satisfaction in banking matters, before you walk away.. but I am not saying you should, your call.
(oh..oh, server crashed, I think I done one post too many, sorry 'bout all that)
and the mason jar thing was said solely in jest (although a member of my own family did just that some years ago... eventually dug it up, I guess).. not something I would seriously suggest to anyone, regardless
doing it all on the internet, sure, can do that
(as said, I myself set foot inside a bank maybe once a year, if even that; I do my thing via auto-deposit, ATM, and internet)
But we all know there really are (tragically), no shortage of real world businesses whose owners are blatantly anti-gun, and we would not choose to enrich them with our patronage, via either brick-n-mortar or internet. On-line banking, how would you know ? They might be corporati personas who really hate guns and gun owners, but they are in the money business, and they are not confused about that; it's not like they are going to plaster a No Guns Allowed sign on their web-site. They may be greedy, and cheat people on CD returns (or not), but they are not stupid, they do want your money.
You may not have to look at that stupid sign "in your face", but you will probably never know whether or not you are contributing more to the wrong cause (people), than by just doing your banking "at home". Internet only businesses are a bit like internet forum folk, very easily anonymous.
Better you just don't know vs. knowing for certain ?
Fair enough reason, I won't argue against it, might well be the better choice; happiness really is related to not having to always know everything.
Why do banks put such signs on their doors ?
I don't know.
You could ask 'em if they have prior provided you w/ satisfaction in banking matters, before you walk away.. but I am not saying you should, your call.
(oh..oh, server crashed, I think I done one post too many, sorry 'bout all that)
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I have read every post on this thread and could not resist giving my own .02. Without getting into a debate of letter vs. spirit of the law the 2nd Amendment protects the rights of citizens to keep (own) and bear (carry) arms however, it makes no allowance as to where you may carry the same as it makes no restriction.
If you disagree with a business restricting your right to carry a firearm on their property I encourage you to take your business elsewhere as well as informing them as to why.
That said, I ask that ANY individual who legally owns and carries a firearm follow the laws in their locale regarding carrying. The argument that those signs only restrict law-abiding citizens from carrying is only valid as long as we, as law-abiding citizens, follow such restrictions. The minute anyone knowingly and intentionally violates such a restriction you place yourself in the other group, that of the criminal violating the law and put everyone else in a position to be lumped in with you. IMHO, it is not in keeping with the THR way to blatantly ignore or violate such a restriction. I believe that anyone who legally owns and carries a firearm is obligated, whether they agree or not, to follow to laws regarding such in their area.
I am a new member here at THR but I believe that my voice on this subject still has some value.
With that in mind I would like to share that I live in Minnesota, a state with similar laws regarding signage restricting carry, and can sympathize with the OP. There are a number of places that I frequent with signs posted restricting carry including my own workplace. Some I find annoying/frustrating, others I am indifferent about but regardless of my feelings I would abide by the law.
Just as it is my right to keep and bear arms, it is a business' right as well as an individual's to restrict carry on their property. Whether it be a local business, a friend, or a family member if they do not want me carrying a firearm on their property I will respect that and decide if it is somewhere I wish to be.
Please, if you do not agree with restrictions regarding carry by anyone, let them know in an intelligent and calm manner but abide by the laws and regulations in your area. If you violate them, whether you are caught or not, you are furthering the cause of those arguing against the 2nd Amendment and your rights and hurting your own cause.
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Here in Alabama, I've not noticed the Regions branch here in town as being posted. Maybe it's just a localized thing?
jimmyraythomason
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Most likely it is localized. I think each branch has some say in such things(guessing).
jimmyraythomason
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Possibly,we have open carry here(Alabama)but you NEVER see anyone doing it other than when hunting or fishing,etc.
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420Stainless
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I don't bank with them, but I do sometimes use the ATM at work for which the fees go to Regions. That just came to a stop.
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Yes, with a Handgun Carry Permit, we can openly or conceal carry a handgun in Tennessee. You cannot carry a handgun (unless hunting/sporting type stuff/on own property/hotel/business) without a permit/license whether it is concealed or in the open. You RARELY see someone openly carry a handgun in Tennessee in public places, even though it is legal with a permit. Most choose to conceal. I saw a guy at Wal Mart in a town outside Memphis this week openly carrying a Glock in a Blackhawk Serpa and he was not a cop or off duty and it has been several months since I have seen someone openly carrying a handgun. I conceal unless I am hunting or hiking in the woods or directly to the range.
I used to live in Arkansas and am from there. I still go back a lot to see family and friends and first had my license from Arkansas. The signs probably aren't going up at Regions in Arkansas because you are REQUIRED to conceal. A few people in TN have, though not unlawful, have supposedly scared people when going into Regions branches carrying openly. This was Regions' excuse for doing this to people in TN for those with permits. I think it is a sorry excuse...but hey if that is how they want to do business I'm narrowing my business down to Bancorp South and Renesant.
I used to live in Arkansas and am from there. I still go back a lot to see family and friends and first had my license from Arkansas. The signs probably aren't going up at Regions in Arkansas because you are REQUIRED to conceal. A few people in TN have, though not unlawful, have supposedly scared people when going into Regions branches carrying openly. This was Regions' excuse for doing this to people in TN for those with permits. I think it is a sorry excuse...but hey if that is how they want to do business I'm narrowing my business down to Bancorp South and Renesant.
Well... ever since I learned our congressional leaders suspect I may be a terrorist, signs at a bank are of little consequence. I occasionally fracture a speed limit law, as well. Does that put me on the outs with "THR's way?"
I'm wondering how many of the king's decrees our founders violated. As I recall, at least one involved firearms.
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Eddie,
You do what you have to do to protect yourself. In some states, these signs aren't a criminal violation. In others it is a fine but you won't lose your license/permit (in TN we probably wouldn't lose our permit IF it went that far by the super rare chance), in other states i've heard you can have your license suspended. Each state is different, but I understand what you are saying how stupid some of these laws are and how out of touch these so called 'leaders' and 'do gooders' are.
On a side note, if you get down to the nitty gritty, most businesses that I've seen and if I look real hard, aren't technically posted 'properly' because the signs aren't up on all the entrances that are used as required by TN law. It is total garbage still, a bunch of he said she said junk if anything was to happen. I personally would not say anything if I happened to accidently walk past a sign and someone saw my gun. I would just quickly leave if someone had a problem with me. That would solve the problem 99.9% of the time. But I conceal a snub (hard to see those) and that solves the problem before it starts.
You do what you have to do to protect yourself. In some states, these signs aren't a criminal violation. In others it is a fine but you won't lose your license/permit (in TN we probably wouldn't lose our permit IF it went that far by the super rare chance), in other states i've heard you can have your license suspended. Each state is different, but I understand what you are saying how stupid some of these laws are and how out of touch these so called 'leaders' and 'do gooders' are.
On a side note, if you get down to the nitty gritty, most businesses that I've seen and if I look real hard, aren't technically posted 'properly' because the signs aren't up on all the entrances that are used as required by TN law. It is total garbage still, a bunch of he said she said junk if anything was to happen. I personally would not say anything if I happened to accidently walk past a sign and someone saw my gun. I would just quickly leave if someone had a problem with me. That would solve the problem 99.9% of the time. But I conceal a snub (hard to see those) and that solves the problem before it starts.
I believe TN just changed the law so virtually any posting is a legal posting. That was the compromise on restaurant carry.
Personally I stopped using Regions a while ago on other grounds and bank with one of their competitors. I like the bank and am there almost every day. If they posted I would continue to bank there and carry anyway. My feeling is that it isn't anybody else's business whether I carry or not. It is concealed and no one needs to know about it. And if they do I'll be justified anyway. But I carry into the post office regularly too for the same reason. Everyone has to make his own choice.
Personally I stopped using Regions a while ago on other grounds and bank with one of their competitors. I like the bank and am there almost every day. If they posted I would continue to bank there and carry anyway. My feeling is that it isn't anybody else's business whether I carry or not. It is concealed and no one needs to know about it. And if they do I'll be justified anyway. But I carry into the post office regularly too for the same reason. Everyone has to make his own choice.
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In NC you can not carry into a bank. They are look at a bank just like a federal building . It is in the state laws but not in the short versions most of us read , Some states do allow you to carry in a bank ,some don't. Whether a busness is posted or not know whats legal so you might under stand the down side of the issue before you loss your right to carry and maybe end up in the jail. Pull something stupid out side your home state and you might not find the slap on the hand some seem to think they might get back at home. Someone that has to push the law or test it is no better than some meth head on the corner. Know the states ccw law and how they will slap you before showing everyone how smart you are
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Would someone please post your experience of being saved by a CCW while inside your bank. Or needing your firearm in ANY way while inside your bank. Anybody?
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Would you people PLEASE stop arguing and sniping back and forth about when and where to carry? It is a personal decision that need not be defended or explained. Everyone should do what he feels is right for him and not worry about the other guy, and what the other guy does is none of YOUR business. If you feel the need to carry 24/7 that's your choice. If you are comfortable being unarmed at times that is also YOUR CHOICE. All of the bickering and sarcasm is getting TIRESOME.
Thank you.
Thank you.
The Lone Haranguer
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A few bank robberies have involved wanton violence - e.g., hostage taking, shooting of hostages to gain compliance, elimination of witnesses. Let us hope that never happens.jimmyraythomason said:
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MinnMooney
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from razorback (post 104) :
I think that you are right. The law should be changed. You are carrying a legal firearm which is OK for most situations in your state but just because a shop owner doesn't believe in the 2nd amendment, you should only be asked to leave. No fine unless you refuse which is trespass at that point.
I think that you are right. The law should be changed. You are carrying a legal firearm which is OK for most situations in your state but just because a shop owner doesn't believe in the 2nd amendment, you should only be asked to leave. No fine unless you refuse which is trespass at that point.
jimmyraythomason
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I agree 100%! I have been ridiculed for not seeing any need to carry while doing my banking and just wanted ANYBOBY to show where being armed while banking helped either them or someone else in any way. When the pot shots stop......
oldfool
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obliged to agree with Saxon P
everybody has right of choice as concerns their personal behavior, should exercise that as they see fit, and should educate themselves to whatever the possible consequences are
the law in some states does need changing, but flaming one another here won't get it done
and if it hasn't been said by now....
everybody has right of choice as concerns their personal behavior, should exercise that as they see fit, and should educate themselves to whatever the possible consequences are
the law in some states does need changing, but flaming one another here won't get it done
and if it hasn't been said by now....
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So, we don't know WHY Region's Bank decided to post signs as of yet?
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