Reliability of Compact Pistols

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I've been thinking about getting a desk gun or something along the line of sub-compact carry pistol when I get a CCW and ran across a the 9mm Beratta Nano. So I checked Beretta Forum and there was endless threads about it's lack of reliability. Some of the posters concluded as a pistol gets smaller and lighter you pay a penalty in reliabilty. I prefer something in 9mm or larger and not really looking for a .380.

Not to single out the Nano but should I expect the same reliabity as a larger frame pistol? What have you found to be reliable?
 
My compact guns, which are or have been a 3-1/2 inch 1911, a Kahr E9, a Taurus PT911, Beretta Centurion, Beretta 9000S and a New Agent have all been very reliable.

While it does seem to make sense that a smaller mechanism needs a bit more happening "right" to still function perfectly, I don't see how a properly constructed smaller mechanism shouldn't work right. I would treat a compact no different than any other gun, by testing it out before declaring it reliable.
Although, dare I ask the question why you're wanting a small gun for a desk? A drawer is pretty darn big and can hide a fullsize gun perfectly fine, or are you envisioning something different here?
 
Although, dare I ask the question why you're wanting a small gun for a desk? A drawer is pretty darn big and can hide a fullsize gun perfectly fine, or are you envisioning something different here?

You have a point. I always thought of them as something kept in the center draw (the shallow one) something quick and easy to get to (less of a problem to clear the desk with a shorter barrel)? Besides I have a full size gun already and prefer a compact if I get the time to get a ccw and it could serve two purposes.
 
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Get yourself a glock26 . Youll thank me later.. I have a gen 3 g19. But reliability is #1 for me so i got a gen 4 g26 and never been happier. They were a hot item at the time so after ordering it, the item took about two weeks to get.
 
A lot of compact guns are very reliable. I will say that they can be slightly more prone to limp-wristing, due to the smaller grip. I saw a 100% reliable Kahr PM9 (and a Glock 17) jammed by a new shooter this weekend. I would happily trust a Glock 26/27, Keltec PF9, Springfield EMP, or a Kahr PM9/PM40 after the necessary ammo and reliablility check. There are a lot more, these just came to mind first.
 
The Glock 26 sounds about ideal. I had a 27, it was excellent. Feels kind of odd at first, but put some rounds through it and it will shock you with the level of accuracy it will display.

Perfectly reliable as well. At least as reliable as any other man-made machine with moving parts and variable forces acting on it (not all loads are the same after all).
 
From my own observation, a gun that was designed to be full-size, is going to run better that way. Having said that, I have never had a problem with any size Glock, and I would say that the newer polymer-framed guns like the XD or M&P, etc, are probably well-designed to run as compacts, because they were intended from their inception to also be released as compact models.

My main aversion to smaller guns has more to do with difficulty in gripping and aiming them.
 
If you hold the gun they way you should, don't limp wrist it, I find even the light weight stuff can be 100 percent. My Kel Tec P11 got over 11K rounds through it, jam free with everything UNDER 147 grains, until the extractor broke the other day. I've installed the new one they sent me, but haven't proof fired it at the range, yet. Should be good to go, cycles fresh ammo just fine.

The small guns can be limp wristed, but that's user error, not a problem of the gun. I think a lot of this distrust of small guns is the fact that the officers ACP has a bad rap for jams. Some of that might be the GUN and the big round going up such a long feed ramp in a compact pistol. I don't know, just speculating. But, I've had tiny .25ACPs that were perfectly reliable.
 
I've been thinking about getting a desk gun or something along the line of sub-compact carry pistol when I get a CCW...

The thought process that a small gun is somehow more appropriate is common to new carriers. Not saying this is necessarily driving you, but if it is, I think you could do well by relieving yourself of the notion that new carriers need smaller guns. Many subcompacts can run well, and they have their place, but full-frame autos can be carried IWB very discretely , and they sit in a desk drawer just fine.
 
I've been thinking about getting a desk gun or something along the line of sub-compact carry pistol when I get a CCW and ran across a the 9mm Beratta Nano. So I checked Beretta Forum and there was endless threads about it's lack of reliability. Some of the posters concluded as a pistol gets smaller and lighter you pay a penalty in reliabilty. I prefer something in 9mm or larger and not really looking for a .380.

Not to single out the Nano but should I expect the same reliabity as a larger frame pistol? What have you found to be reliable?

I have a Diamondback DB9, which is still at the shop. It's been at the gunsmith longer than at my own house. Cracked internal frame, chipped feed ramp, and poorly designed magazines.

It's a microcompact.

Your better option is shooting different guns and seeing what's best for your style. A good holster can conceal anything with the proper clothing.

The Glock 26, subcompact XD 9, Smith M&P subcompact 9 or even a Kahr PM9 would be good options.

Smaller than that, and you run into some reliability issues. Technique is important not to limp wrist.

Revolvers are another viable alternative.


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Ditto on the revolvers. For semi-autos, don't forget the Ruger SR9c. The others mentioned are all excellent choices. The Taurus Millennium (100 series) and PT709 can also be good choices.
The Nano is a new gun, and it just might not be "all worked out" yet for many.
 
We're bouncing between "compact" and "sub-compact", that's easy to do since there are no hard & fast industry standards or even dimensional classifications. The subject is further complicated by the OP using "compact" in his subject line but "sub-compact" in his first sentence. It gets worse, the Ruger SR9c and S&W M&Pc are compacts. They're about the same size as a GLOCK G26 but IT'S considered a SUB-compact by the manufacturer. No wonder we're confused.

In general, the shorter the slide=the higher chance of reliability issues. In general, the smaller/lighter/more powerful the handgun=the more difficult it is to shoot effectively. It's the same trade-off that it's always been. "I want a big, reliable, powerful, soft recoiling, one-shot-stop CCW. But I want to carry it completely concealed & immediately accessible." The compromise makes the conversation. :cool:
 
Nothing is 100% Reliable

No firearm ever made or that ever will be made is 100% reliable.

You might want to consider a PPS or P99C
 
I've been thinking about getting a desk gun or something along the line of sub-compact carry pistol when I get a CCW and ran across a the 9mm Beratta Nano. So I checked Beretta Forum and there was endless threads about it's lack of reliability. Some of the posters concluded as a pistol gets smaller and lighter you pay a penalty in reliabilty. I prefer something in 9mm or larger and not really looking for a .380.

Not to single out the Nano but should I expect the same reliabity as a larger frame pistol? What have you found to be reliable?
This is a much-talked-about issue. The crux of the matter has to do with the combination of small pistols and ammo.

CCW guns are (by design) guns that need to handle the work of a full-size frame but in a tiny package. This means that tolerances (already incredibly small in full-size guns) play an even bigger role. Beretta guns are manufactured to exacting tolerances, though within the natural tolerance that machining parts inherently causes. One of the things we've managed to develop in the last century of industrial manufacturing is, in fact, the ability to produce guns with a level of consistency that is unmatched in the industry. This allows us to make the M9 in a manner that passes the grueling "shuffle test" (I can tell you what this is in another post, if you are interested.) This is also the reason why the Nano actually outperforms any other brand of CCW, when it comes to failure rates, based on recent tests.

Ammunition is affected by a swing in tolerances, just like the firearms that fire it. Good quality ammo has a very small spectrum of variances between any two rounds in a box: the pressure created and the design of each round is very consistent (give or take small-tolerance variations.) Cheap ammo, on the other hand, has larger swings in variations. When the tiny tolerance variation between two pistols meets tiny tolerance variations between two good-quality rounds, nothing happens. When the same variation meets large tolerance swings between any two rounds in a box of cheap ammo, you have a domino effect that might cause (in one every so-many rounds) a failure.

This is why, at the end of the day, you have CCW shooters whose gun digests anything (the majority, in the scheme of things) and those whose tolerances are "just-so" that the combination of cheap ammo and CCW gun makes them fail, at large intervals. This is also why forums are littered with people complaining that their CCW is experiencing FTEs (just Google a random CCW brand and name and the word "FTE" and you will see the results)

Currently, we have 14 guns in our gunsmiths area experiencing some type of problem (this is out of thousands and thousands of guns made) - I say that's not too shabby (which is not to say that the 14 owners whose gun is here should not expect us to take care of them!)
 
Glocks have somewhere around 32-36 parts, including the mag Depends on who you ask. KISS and reliable. A Glock sub-compact (G26, G27, G33) will probably end up with a finger extension on its mags. Believe me. Get a Glock compact (G19, G23, G32). It will have almost the same size grip, the hardest part of a gun to hide. My EDC is a g23 40 and a very reliable gun. I also got a couple of Lone Wolf Distributing barrels in 9mm and 357 sig for it - life time warranty, etc. Great gun and fun to shoot IDPA and USPSA. If you want a mouse gun for the pocket or wife, get a Ruger LCP. Another great gun for it's intended purpose.
 
I have a Springfield Armory XD40SC that has a kazillion rounds thru
it with not one single hiccup. I just clean it every time I shoot it.
Of course it is still a little bigger than a Nano.
 
the close to the edge you push it the harder it is to get there
I have a KT P40
100 reliable gun
it will fire EVERY ROUND EVERY TIME
except for one minor flaw
I can't control the recoil, they stopped making they cause they were tired of getting perfectly functional guns returned to them for service cause the OWNER was limpwristing it.
Slow fire, I'm 100%
rapid, it jams on the 3rd round
 
My two Ruger LCP's and my Glock 30SF are all super reliable. Would trust my life to any of them. I prefer the firepower of the Glock, but like the compactness and weight of the LCP.
 
i think 9 times out of 10 problems occur due to ammo rather than the gun, short ramps of small guns are a bit more finicky than on larger guns. my taurus pt111 has cycled everything i've put in it, but my bg380 doesn't like cheap reloads that have a sharp, prominent lip on the case. bg380 is 100% with factory loads, well all i have tried.
 
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