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Remington 1903A3 question

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by lencac, Dec 13, 2009.

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  1. lencac

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    What do you guys make of this? A serialized bolt with this remmy 1903A3. Looks like it's never been fired.
     

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  2. PCGS65

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    I'll take it!!
    How about more pics?:what:
     
  3. buttrap

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    Some fawlking idjit took a nice A-1 and refinished the stock and tryed to make a psudo NM gun out of it. Still if you can find a clean bolt body and new stock for the thing its a 1200 buck A-1. They aslo reparked the receicver and slapped in a replacement bolt body and I am sure it has been shot and shot a lot too.
     
  4. sanerkeki

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    Looks brand new:)
     
  5. Brimic

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    The bolt is definately incorrect. Only markings on the bolt should be an 'R'.
    Its hard to tell from that short segment, but the corners ont he stock look a little 'soft' like it may have been sanded/ refinished, though I'm les certain about that than about the bolt.
     
  6. buttrap

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    Its a rebuild fake though a nice one. The stock is a mayor tip off. If real it would have a pentagraph stock that looks like cord wood. Plus it has a 1903 stock too.
     
  7. PCGS65

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    They sure did a nice job from what we can see in the pic. I always love the reddish stocks. 90% of them are re-arsenaled stocks anyway.

    That serialized bolt does look tacky. I sure hope they didn't engrave it.
     
  8. buttrap

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    ****ty pic but this is what they look like after the cosmoline is cleaned off of one that has not been shot since proof in 1943.
     

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  9. PCGS65

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    BT both pics look like an A3 stock to me?
     
  10. buttrap

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    The messed with gun has a 1903-A1 stock on it as it has the side screws and not the pins they used on the A3 guns. Plus the thing has rebuild blued out of the parts bin parts on it they used on the 1903-A1 03 cross jobs. The main tip off is it has that grey repark color vs bring bright green.
     
  11. PCGS65

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    Very well BT.
    I just purchased a 1918-1903 springfield mixmaster, though a nice rebuild job in '42?
    If I get around to it I'll take some pics tomorrow and post them here for critiqing. :uhoh:
     
  12. lencac

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    Uh ............ interesting

    Obviously you need a lesson. This is a 1903A3 and nothing else. 1903's and 1903A1's had the rear sight on the barrel and 1903A3's have the rear sight on a dovetail at the rear of the receiver. So the rear sight and dovetail might be a pretty good indication it 's and A3 and not any type of 03 or A1, but who knows, I could be full of it.:neener:
    Second, the original finish on Remington built 1903A3's for the date of the serial number was barrel, front sight (minus the blade), receiver and the bolt sleeve were parkerized. All the rest of the hardware was blued. If the A3's were ever shipped back to the arsenal for a rework they were out fitted with C-type stocks. But if it was reworked it would have 2 dimples punched in the receiver under the serial number.

    Come on guys .................... none of you have figured it out yet. Put your thinking caps on. :scrutiny:

    More pics are not needed for the right answer. You have everything you need. :cool:
     
  13. buttrap

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    Me thinks you could use a lesson but thats beside the point. it as if it had any blue on it the thing is not a A3..its a rem trans pre A-3 with left over with A-1 parts then. Rem made the 1903 up to 1942 and mixed a lot of parts at times when they came out wiht the A-3 And that thing does have a 1903-A1 stock on it too.
     
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    Military rifles have been through many hands. It is possible that a civilian marked the bolt, it is also possible that a military unit did the same.

    I have read, from Vets, of the various ways rifles were stored. Some unit commanders required the bolts removed from rifles in storage, which required serializing the bolt.
     
  15. PCGS65

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    I can't imagine if some of these guys were alive today that built/rebuilt these rifles would think/say about the way many nit pick the hell out of each other on military rifles.

    Heck years ago I'll bet they joked saying things like "hey Sam you think these rifles will ever be collectors some day"?...Joe replies "Sam did you skip your medication again"? as they both laugh saying "yea who the heck would want these pieces of crap anyway"? :what:
     
  16. lencac

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    Me thinks you don't know difference between A3 and 03/03A1. Is that your final answer butt?
     
  17. USSR

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    What you have here is a rebuilt Remington 03-A3 (the entire bolt with the exception of the safety should be blued) that was sent overseas. I forget now whether it was the Greeks or the Danes that inscribed the serial number on the bolt, but it was not done by our armory. Early 03-A3 stocks used pins, but latter built ones used stock bolts. If you send a picture of the side of the rifle in the area of the lower band retaining spring, I can tell you if the stock is original to Remington or not.

    Don
     
  18. GarandOwner

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    Buttrap, You might find the Book "The Model 1903 Springfield Rifle and its Variations" interesting, it details what is "correct" for each varient of 1903 based on year and model. 1903A3's did have blued parts (I have one)......Even If I didnt have the book and collect myself, I would trust Lencac's knowledge if for nothing else, just based on the number of 1903's he owns :neener:
     
  19. USSR

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    Yes, the 03-A3's had many blued parts. This is because the manufacture of the small parts was subcontracted out to various manufacturers. Here's one for you: who made Smith-Corona's 03-A3 barrels (hint, it wasn't S-C)?

    Don
     
  20. Vern Humphrey

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    Hi Standard.
     
  21. lencac

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    Well, nobody has figured it out yet.:rolleyes:
     
  22. USSR

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    Bingo!

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  23. lencac

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    Nope, Nope, nope .... not HI Standard :p
     
  24. lencac

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    Ok, the time is up.
    I can say without a doubt that this rifle is brand new and has never had a bullet down the barrel.
    And no it's not a Hi Standard or some cobbled up bubba'ed thing or an arsenal misfit or a make believe NM rifle. Look at the numbers etched into the bolt. They're like an artist did them. It wasn't that guys first day on the job. Have you ever tried to etch the radius on a harden bolt? Not easy. This bolt was etched by a professional. You guys could have looked in my past postings and found the answer.
    This rifle wasn't even a rifle before and now it has a brand new 4 groove Remington Barrel with the correct date for the serial number.
    The receiver and bolt were never used. They're brand new. How can that be!
    That's because the receiver was never intended to be used as a service rifle. I used a brand spankin new cosmoline filled mil-spec Remington 4 groove barrel still in the 65 year old wrapping.
    I built this rifle from an unused Mann Accuracy Device.
    And if you had this rifle in your hands and saw the fit and finish and felt how smooth this thing cycles you wouldn't poo poo it.
    After I finish it, tune it, and road test it, I'll auction it.;)
     

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  25. lencac

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    All Done

    Here's a few pics of how the "Mann Accuracy Device" came out
     

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