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Remington 760 30-06 Accuracy Issues

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  1. Stormin.40

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    I have my great grandfathers Remington 760 in 30-06 and have read that it is suppose to be an accurate rifle, I have not experienced this yet but hope to soon.

    Mine has the forearm support plate that touches the barrel so it isn't a true free floating barrel as many describe, mine actually seems pretty tight but is not affixed to the barrel. While not a picture of my rifle this is what the support looks like.

    Rem 760 forearm support plate.JPG

    Can I remove this support piece or open up the part that touches the barrel so there is little to no pressure on the barrel? Generally I try to leave everything as is but I cannot seem to shoot better than 3" or 4" groups of a rest. I would be thrilled with 2" groups.
     
  2. 243winxb

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    I have the same vintage 760 rifle in 30-06. Floating the barrel did not help. When shooting , hold forarm with your hand. Place hand holding forarm on sand bag rest. No bag rear. This method may get you groups just under 2"

    The rifle has always gotten the deer at ranges under 100 yards, so good enough. No long shots in these woods.

    My barrel has a very rough bore, tool marks. Always wanted to try Tubb Final Finish bore lapping bullets. Never did.

    The 7600's i have fired are better in the accuracy department.

    http://www.davidtubb.com/final-finish-bullet-kits/finalfinish-bulletkit-308
     
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  3. Stormin.40

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    Thank you for the tip, I have been resting the forearm on the bag and have been using a rear bag. I will give your suggestion a try. My great grandfather had success with this rifle so I expect I just need to play with the various factory offerings then try and handload to what it likes.
     
  4. NIGHTLORD40K

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    My 760 would shoot 2 MOAish....I actually had a M1907 sling on it and would loop my arm through it as a brace, with my elbow resting on the bench.
    I found that mine had a very tight chamber- some brands of ammo (Seller and Bellot for one) would have a very hard time ejecting after firing.
    I also discovered that the magazines Remington still sells for the 7600/760 will NOT fit the 760, despite what it says on the packaging! Don't waste your money- hunt down an older, original mag if looking for a spare.
     
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  5. Sunray

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    Floating the barrel guarantees nothing. No pump gun will be free floating anyway. The fore end of the pump has to connect to something. Only thing available is the barrel. In any case, accuracy claims are about hunting accuracy. No MOA accuracy for pump guns. Nnightlord40k's 2 MOA is good enough for deer anyway.
     
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    I took my first whitetail with my FIL's 760 in .30-06. It was a fine deer-getter, but it only shot 2 MOA on its best days ... more frequently 2-3 MOA. I considered it best as a woods gun where the ranges were short.
     
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  7. 243winxb

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  8. NIGHTLORD40K

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    So the tube support is not actually brazed to the barrel? I'll admit I assumed it was and never looked that closely at it. If that's the case, perhaps by slinging it, I was inadvertently pulling the tube away from coming into contact. I suppose that may have actually helped shrink the groups......?:)
     
  9. 243winxb

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    My barrel , no longer seems to be "floated" . I do remember giving it clearance many years ago. (1960's)

    The forearm could be putting pressure on the barrel? No way to see it here. The action is in the open position.

    A sling may hurt accuracy if using a lot of tension?

    When i look down the barrel, its easy to see tool marks on the lands. This is the reason it didnt shoot cast bullets well. The first 5 shots would group. After that it collected to much lead. My 1903 loved the cast bullets, with its then new GI barrel.

    Jacketed reloads were ok for hunting.
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    Barrel code shows a production date of April 1953.
     

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  10. SwampWolf

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    I've had an early fifties Model 760 chambered in 30-06 for decades that I got from my grandfather. I have a Williams "FoolProof" receiver sight mounted on it and the rifle is a superb hunting gun for the typical cedar swamps in Michigan where I look for whitetails. Plenty accurate for the 100 yards or so ranges that I kill (oops, "harvest") deer at.
     
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  11. Stormin.40

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    Funny, mine was manufactured in 53' as well.

    I think my problem is the scope or scope mount, not the gun.

    At the range yesterday I tried 3 different types of ammo and let the barrel cool every 2 shots, I was all over the place. I got frustrated and took the scope off to try the iron sights at 100 yards. Well my first 2 shots were within 3" and the second 2 after elevation adjustments were about 2" apart. I realize 2 shot groups are not really groups but both 2 shot "groups" were about 5" right at 100 yards and were consistent, which is something I was not able to produce with the scope. The front and rear sights are dovetailed so I will simply drift these a little and head back to the range sometime later this week. The early 760s points so naturally with iron sights I think this will be the right set up for my Oct. hog hunt.

    The scope is a J. Unertl 4X Hawk mounted on a Jaeger side mount, I believe my great grandfather had these installed in the 50s. The fixed 4X is just right for this rifle so I may look into having the scope cleaned and repaired as needed. The mount seams solid but I know very little about mounting a scope so that I will leave to a gunsmith if I decide to scope it again.

    SwampWolf, I love receiver peep sights. With the early 760s it is hard to get a decent cheek weld when using a scope, the Williams peep sight would be a great compromise and be very usable.
     
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  12. Bang!

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    Shown is a 760 with slide open. Barrel is free floating. Except for the sling swivel I added. 5 inch groups at 300 yards with Remington factory ammo Core-Lokt 150 gr using folded up jacket for a rest. All my shots around here are 100 yards or less. Usually a lot less. I'm sure I could make some reloads for it, remove sling, bag it and get a better grouping than 5 inches at 300 hundred yards but don't see the need. I may one day, if I have time, try to wring out the accuracy and see what it can do. But for now I'm confident any legal deer at a hundred yards is coming home with me.
     

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  13. 243winxb

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    The Paul Jaeger mount was never to my liking, back in the day.

    He had a shop in Jenkintown, Pa. Around 1970's . I have a new barrel put on a M70 243, with bedding, had problems with there work. Mr Jaeger was semi retired then, employees did the work. Replaced it with a Rem 40X.

    They sold me S&W M29's at full retail. I added $100 and resold them. There was a waiting list.

    The good old days. :)
     
  14. e rex

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    I have an old 760 in '06 that is an honest 1 1/4" rifle. My longest kill was 230 measured yards. I load for the rifle using Hornady 150 grain interlocks and IMR 4350. Actually IMR 4064 is probably a better powder for this load but during hard times I couldn't find it so the switch to 4350. Don't try to put the bullet on the lands but make it fit the magazine.
     
  15. Stormin.40

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    Everything I have read about the rifle indicates it is inherently accurate. I plan to get to the range next week with just factory loads and get the iron sights on. I will be a good rifle setup for the terrain I will be hog hunting in next month.

    Once I am done with this hunting trip I may have a gunsmith reinstall the current mount and scope. When removing the rest of the mount (has 2 pieces) last night I discovered that the screws attaching the mount to the receiver had come loose so maybe the scope isn't bad and the mount just wasn't solid. At this time I do not want to drill and tap for a new set of rings on the top of the receiver, this 760 already has 3 holes drilled into the side of the receiver. If I can get everything back together and solid the way my great grandfather had envisioned it I will consider that a success. If not, I will probably leave it along with just the iron sights.

    I began working up loads using 165gr Hornady Interlocks with H4350 but with what turned out to be a loose or bad scope I had no way of knowing which load it liked. If I leave it alone and just use iron sights I am not sure I am a good enough shooter to know the difference between a 54 gr load and a 58 gr. load accuracy wise but I will try anyway.
     
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    If your mount screws were loose you have found your problem.
     
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  17. eastbank

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    I shoot 55 grs imr 4350 with a 165 gr nosler BT in my rem 7600 pump 3006 carbine, its accurett and deadly at 2680 fps. eastbank.
     
  18. Deltaboy1984

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    My 7600 shoots 1 inch groups all day at 100 with Cor lock 150 rounds and 2 1\2 inch groups at 200.
     
  19. ColtPythonElite

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    Same here with my 760 BDL. All I have ever shot out of it is cheap Core-Lokts. 30 years ago, I thought a 1" gun was substandard because I had my nose stuck in the various gun rags that were always talking of tighter shooting bolt guns. I just had to have me a 700 BDL. It didn't shoot factory ammo as good as the 760.
     
  20. If1HitU

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    Nice model 7600 Remington ,in the link you shared 243winxb.
     
  21. Stormin.40

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    Wanted to follow up as I started the thread. I had a number of issues going on which made this process long and frustrating for me. So here is what I found...

    1 - The scope mounts came loose, its a Paul Jaeger side mount, not to the point that I could see movement or even feel movement but I did find the screws had worked out a bit.
    2 - The 1950s era scope has a parallax problem, I know virtually nothing about scopes so I didn't know to check until earlier this week. I don't know how to fix or adjust this, its a J. Unertl Hawk 4x, scope so I proceeded with iron sights.
    3 - This gun had a lot of copper fouling so I clean it all out, it proceeded to shoot just as bad until after a couple of fouling shots, I didn't know some guns like a little fouling this one seems to.
    4 - This gun does not like 165gr bullets. 3" groups at 50 yards with me using bag rest and shooting with iron sights. This closed to about 1" with 150 grain bullets. Seems to like federal power-shok a little better than remingon cor-lokt but I cannot confirm that.

    I have come to the conclusion that nothing is wrong with the rifle, just me the shooter and some bad/faulty equipment. In the next couple of weeks I will put some 150 grain bullets down range in practical hunting positions and use the Remington 760 Gamemaster as it was intended. It will make a fine hog gun in a couple of weeks.
     
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  22. MTMilitiaman

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    My grandpa has hunted with a Rem M7600 for decades; as long as I can remember. This is mostly in western MT, where shots range from under 50 yards in lodgepole thickets, to over a quarter mile ridleline to ridgeline. He's taken multiple game animals beyond 300 yards with it. He had a new barrel installed on it a few years ago and I remember him putting 150 gr Sierra Gameking handloads into 1.5 MOA.
     
  23. Angus Gray

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    I have 2 Remington 760s an early one made in 53 (270) and a another one made in the early 70s (30-06). The 270 has the barrel bracket that pushes slightly on the barrel at the end of the slide tube. The 06 doesn't have a bracket. They changed the style in the 50s and then again later when they changed the name to 7600. If you try this link, it is a great explaination of the guns history and quirks,

    http://www.leeroysramblings.com/Gun Articles/remington_760_7600_pump_rifle.html

    My 270 shoots better than my 06 when I first got them. Improvements I have made to improve the 06. Firsts the, the fore stock twists with a little pressure, likely when I'm excited and pumping out follow up shots. I'll grip it hard and pump like crazy, twisting uncontrollably. In these twisting conditions the wood will push on the barrel randomly.

    I filed and sanded down the fore stock to fully Free float the barrel under twisting conditions. This helped not as .uch as I wanted but helped.

    2nd I had the barrel off the receiver one day for a good cleaning. While re attaching the barrel to the receiver I noticed the barrel is a little sloppy in the receiver, on the 06 made in the 70s. My 270 from the 50s is tighter.

    I measured the difference .007" so I found some shim stock and added a shim around the barrel lug, it is harder to assemble and disassemble. But I know it isn't wiggling under the rapid pressure wave when I pull the trigger.

    The shiming made a big difference.

    I shoot in dense hardwoods, so mostly inside of 100 yards. Open sights, I think my current groups are more to do now with my eyesight. Than the gun, but the 270 still shoots a little tighter groups.
     
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  24. eastbank

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    here,s pictures of my rem 7600 in 3006 with factory 180 gr bullets and my reloads with 55 grs IMR 4350 and 100 yards from a rest holding the forend .
     

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  25. GooseGestapo

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    I had a Rem 760 in .35Rem back in late ‘80s. With a 200gr Sierra RN over a non published load of H322, it got 2,400fps and would shoot 3-Shot clover leaf groups at 100yds. Easily under 1”, and required no special techniques to do so.
    However, I despised it due to the “rattling” forend. If Remington could have alleviated this with a nylon bushing or such, I’d still have it. However, after loosing several NICE deer by spooking them trying to get rifle into shooting position, I sent it down the road.

    My Marlin M336 .35Rem shoots almost as good, and occupies the niche in my collection vacated by the M760. I don’t really miss it.

    But, it DID have a free floating barrel...
     
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