OneFreeTexan
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Got a whole handful of Remington Nylon’s. ...luv’em....Also like my R51 a lot.....a very good gun.....no problems at all!!
Got a whole handful of Remington Nylon’s. ...luv’em....Also like my R51 a lot.....a very good gun.....no problems at all!!
Lol, one thing about this thread made me do is start checking out the Remington R51. And you know what, It sure does interest me. I like the looks for sure. Yea, it had some birth problems, but maybe that is a good thing. Made the company work harder to get it right. At this point I would love to shoot one. I have learned over the years to take many post like these on this thread with a grain of salt. Recently saw the same kind of bashing when the 365 first came out and all kinds of derogatory comments about the company, the president and on and on. And yet the gun is enjoying great success. Actually it is comical in one sense.
Something tells me, the R51 might just be a fine little gun. However, maybe not. I have learned that the internet is not the best way to learn about a gun. Nothing actually beats going out and shooting the gun yourself. Shoot one, then bash it, or praise it.
Remington missed a whole series of changes in the gun market and they are paying for it.
A few years ago when they bought Marlin, the quality went way down . They may have lost a lot of customers?55 people are losing their jobs to a "downturn" in the firearms market.
Perhaps that has something to do with a downturn in quality.
I've never bought a Remington but I inherited 3 guns from my grandfather.
Grip safeties have been around for awhile. I understand several people have carried, shot and even liked the Colt 1911 and S&W used a grip safety in their 1887 Safety Hammerless. I've even been known to carry my modern early 1950s S&W "Lemon Squeezer" Centennial.Jen,,, try a R51 if you get a chance,,, I got mine because I liked the looks of it and got heck of a deal on it from Bud’s... I’ve never cared for a gun with a grip safety, but this one is just fine,,,The R51 is one of my most fun guns to shoot....
I like Remington, but I’m not sure if their debt load is too high to ever realistically break even. Same with a lot of companies unfortunately. Not to stray from the High Road but the global economy is not a level playing field and without that, you really don’t have a true free market system.
I understand why someone would stick around even if not a gun person. Some state and cities have poor economy and jobs are hard to find. Manufacturing jobs around here aren't that great and I know many people who just work there to be able to eat dinner and pay bills.I worked with a fellow who was at the Remington plant in Huntsville, AL. He worked on the AR line of the plant. This man could not explain the different between a 450 Bushmaster and 5.56 NATO. Quality of firearms is influenced by employees who know their trade (pre Remington Marlins) vs those just there for a paycheck. His primary reason for staying at the plant was the discount he got on firearms, which he sold on Armslist for a nice profit.
I had a Remington 870 Express. And I will not own another Remington firearm unless it is something older like a Wing master or a 700 from earlier years.. Ammo, maybe.
A few years ago when they bought Marlin, the quality went way down .
Remington went through a bankruptcy a year ago. She emerged in just two months and shed most of her debt and more importantly any connections to Ceberus/ Freedom-Group. I suspect Remington is trying to remain as debt free as possible in this tough firearms market. Also 200 people is less than 10% of her total work force.
Do you have a source for Remington getting out from under Cerberus/Freedom Group? I know that was in the talks as Cerberus was getting pressured from their investors for having a company that sells “assault weapons”, but never heard for sure.
Marlin quality tanked long before Remington bought the company.
IDK, my Marlin model 60 outshoots my Ruger 10/22 every time with NO jams or misfeeds - even with the cheap Remington promo stuffMarlin quality tanked long before Remington bought the company.
There were many news stories at the time of the exit talking about how JPMorgan and Franklin Advisors have taken ownership of Remington in exchange for forgiving more than $775 million of debt. Cerberus is not involved with Remington in anyway as far as I can tell.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...bankruptcy-in-tough-gun-climate-idUSKCN1II24T