Remington Model 7 vs Ruger Hawkeye Ultralight
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Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
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UM, what *specifically* is it about newer Remingtons that are "crap"? What are you noticing in particular?
The 597 rimfires are cheesy as all get-out, but the centerfires still look pretty decent to me....
The 597 rimfires are cheesy as all get-out, but the centerfires still look pretty decent to me....
Uncle Mike
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Cry....
You didn't sell it...you gave that thing away... lol hehehe
We are sending 3 more back the beginning of next week... rough chamber on one...so says the owner, customer states he cannot lift the bolt handle on a fired case. Probably the extractor...?
Second customer states that, no matter what he shoots out of it or who shoots it, the rifle will not group any tighter than 3" at 100y...we will try to duplicate this before shipping it.
Third customer says the same concerning the hard lifting bolt and brass damage.
ok...there you go...but popular consensus is that Big Green has neglected quality and raised prices in a ridicules manner...which I tend to agree with. Compare what you get with a Remington to other brands and the price your going to pay.
The Rugers have fared much better this past year than the Remingtons have as far as warranty work is concerned...
Even with the quality concerns of the Remingtons, I would still get the Model 7....IMO
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Legionnaire
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I have and love two Model Sevens, one in .308, the other in .243. Both are 15+ years old, both have been settled into H.S. Precision replacement stocks, both are light and better-than-hunting-accurate with factory ammo. I keep hearing that newer Remingtons don't have the quality of the older models, but I can't confirm that. I do know that the price of a new Remington would give me pause given that there are other options out there. All that said, I really like my Sevens, and plan to keep them and hand them on to the next generation.
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Mine all wiggle a bit, but probably no more than 5-10 degrees. Certainly nothing that would render the rifle unsafe or ill-suited for use.
A rifle is not unsafe without a bolt lock.
Interesting. The Rugers I checked out seemed to have more than a few degrees of play -- which is normal for a locked bolt.
I wonder if there was something wrong with them, or if I didn't engage the safety all the way?
The Hawkeye action is still a bit on the awful side, but I'd take a 3-position safety over the Remington's, especially in light of the Ruger's much lower price and CRF design.
But as I said, after looking at both, I'd get something else altogether.
Interesting. The Rugers I checked out seemed to have more than a few degrees of play -- which is normal for a locked bolt.
I wonder if there was something wrong with them, or if I didn't engage the safety all the way?
The Hawkeye action is still a bit on the awful side, but I'd take a 3-position safety over the Remington's, especially in light of the Ruger's much lower price and CRF design.
But as I said, after looking at both, I'd get something else altogether.
Maverick223
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I would go with a Nikon ProStaff, Team Primos, or a Bushnell Elite 3200. Take your pick...my pick is in bold. 
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Not much, but I'm not a big fan of the newer Weaver scopes that I have seen.
Uncle Mike
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+1 on the Weaver Classics..What do you want to know...?
I have 3 of them...never a problem. We don't sell a lot of them, most folks prefer the Nikon brand in this area.
I have a 4-16 on a 22mag and a 2-10 on another 22mag...they have given years of service without a problem.
I have the 2.5-7 on a bolt action 12ga. slug gun...great scope.
The Weaver Grand Slam is a hearty scope...it has two coil type springs on the erector tube, which is brass..you'll not find that type of construction with a Nikon of the same price.
The Nikon Monarch is a top knotch scope, we sell a bunch of these and have had very few come back...I am refering to the newer of the Monarchs...the older ones, say up to 2006 had problems with poor quality...durability issues.
I have 3 of them...never a problem. We don't sell a lot of them, most folks prefer the Nikon brand in this area.
I have a 4-16 on a 22mag and a 2-10 on another 22mag...they have given years of service without a problem.
I have the 2.5-7 on a bolt action 12ga. slug gun...great scope.
The Weaver Grand Slam is a hearty scope...it has two coil type springs on the erector tube, which is brass..you'll not find that type of construction with a Nikon of the same price.
The Nikon Monarch is a top knotch scope, we sell a bunch of these and have had very few come back...I am refering to the newer of the Monarchs...the older ones, say up to 2006 had problems with poor quality...durability issues.
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The Weaver that looks to me like it would match up well with the Featherweight is the Classic V 2-10x38 w/ ballisticplex reticle. I have a couple of Weaver Rimfire scopes mounted on 22s and I've been very pleased with their performance.
The Weaver that looks to me like it would match up well with the Featherweight is the Classic V 2-10x38 w/ ballisticplex reticle. I have a couple of Weaver Rimfire scopes mounted on 22s and I've been very pleased with their performance.
I bought my wife a Model Seven in .243 last year for our anniversary and it's been nothing but a great little rifle. Out of the box it shot 1-1/2 MOA at 100yds, though I've since gotten it down to 1 MOA. I may float the barrel and bed the action someday, but for now it's a perfectly serviceable target rifle.
Uncle Mike
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Caution Willy Robinson...caution! The wimpy pencil barrel of the Model 7 needs the pressure point up front...We have floated several Mod.7's for folks with varied results but it seems that the majority of the rifles that shot good (3/4" @100y or less) groups were left factory configured.
Often times these thin barreled 7's are finicky with regards to the ammo they feed upon...try working up some loads or changing ammo before you float.
I have two Mod. 7's.. one will shoot into 5/8" at 100y all day long with Hornady Light Magnum ammo, the other, I can't get to group less than 1 1/2" at 100y...but to be fair, I have not done much exploring with the latter.
Maverick223
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That is what I was referring to...I don't believe that I have seen one of the Classics, and I don't have a lot of experience with any of the newer Weavers so I can't comment on their quality. I do like the idea of the use of brass erector tube, although it would add a good bit of weight considering brass weighs around triple that of aluminum IIRC.
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Ive got a Remmy 700 in 7mm-08 and a Ruger M77 in 243. Both are fine weapons and do what is asked of them as long as I can do my part. They are both servicable, but definitely not a Sako or Weatherby as far as asthetics go. The ultimate choice should be based on how the gun fits the shooter and intended purpose of the firearm.
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