Remington or Savage
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NeuseRvrRat
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no freedom group junk in my safe. i love my Savages.
Inebriated
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If it's a Savage 10/11, then the Savage by a mile. If it's an Axis, then the Remington.
ironworkerwill
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Savage gets my vote. Savages very accurate and custom barrel swaps are EASY. I like the model 12 varmint. I also vote against the Axis, its cheaply made.
Steel Horse Rider
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To me the Accutrigger on a Savage trumps a plain anything else.
Inebriated
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It's not that much cheaper than the standard series... they save on using one length action for everything, and stock design. The only problem with the Axis is there's little to no aftermarket. Timney makes a trigger for it, and you can use any barrel that is designed for the standard Savage rifles. Anything else, you're out of luck.
mr.t7024
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I like and prefer Savage Firearms.
USAF_Vet
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If you are buying new, Savage all the way. If you are looking used, old model Remingtins before then its a toss up.
I would lean toward Savage.
I would lean toward Savage.
Storz
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Savage.
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Eureka40
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"To me the Accutrigger on a Savage trumps a plain anything else."
As stated above Accutrigger is just that good. Get the Savage, you won't be sorry.
As stated above Accutrigger is just that good. Get the Savage, you won't be sorry.
I started to buy a Remington a few years ago but then I saw what Savage was getting done in the F/TR competitions and I knew that was the rifle for me. Look for a LRPV with the target action on it. They have a red blade and they're single shot. That makes for a much stiffer action which means better accuracy. I like the varmint model actually because the 30" barrel on the F/TR makes the front end too heavy according to the folks at the Savage board. I know my LRPV is balanced very well and seems to sit right on the target with ease. The only thing is I don't think they make the LRPV in .223 now. I'd look for an older model myself though because from things I've heard they were more accurate. Look for one without the fluted barrel. Chances are you can save some cash and get a great rifle if you can find the right rifle.
I've heard it said from a lot of people that the opposite is true. The effects of barrel (and action) flex are not minimal. I know a lot of people that insist on single shot setups for most potential accuracy. Stiffness is one of the primary requirements for accuracy according to many.
I think you're way off the mark here. Stiffness is a common trait sought out by those seeking accuracy. And the easiest way to make an action stiffer is to remove the feed hole cutout by going with a single shot design. I fully expect a harsh response so this will be my last post on this subject. All I can say is pretty much everyone I've ever talked to, read or seen in videos believes what I believe - that stiffness is important to accuracy and that a single shot action contributes to better accuracy. That's true from the guys at my local club who prefer shooting a single shot rifle to the top shooters in the world.
Here are a couple of quotes the first from a Sniper Country article on rifle tuning. They get right to the point:
"A good action has a number of important qualities. The action must be rigid."
They list stiffness as the first quality an action must have in order to make an accurate rifle. The only other quality they mention is that the bolt face must be square to the chamber. That's about as obvious as it gets. But they list stiffness above that quality. I think that shows clearly that a whole lot of people see things my way. That a rigid action is very important and we all know that a single shot action can be the most rigid.
Then there's this quote from barrel maker Lilja. I think it states the conventional wisdom on this subject quite clearly:
"The rifle must be built around a potentially accurate action with a good trigger. ...the big single shot custom actions are the best for this application."
The Savage target action is sold as a stand alone action which could be argued makes it a custom action. At the very least it is a big single shot action which is what the people at Lilja seem to think is important.
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Harsh? Hardly.
There's stiff enough and then there's more than stiff enough. Firstly, the Savage actin is beeifer than the Rem700 action. If you look at how a Savage action is cut, the standard receiver has the top and bottom cut out for a wide open ejection port and a large magazine well. The target action has a minimal sized oval cutout for the ejection port and may or may not have the bottom cut out for a magazine. The solid top on the target action makes the action stiffer than a regular action by a significant amount and is really more than stiff enough. The cutout for the magazine does very little to detract from that. Most modern actions are plenty rigid enough to make a respectable target gun from. It's the older or lightweight designs that would be lacking here.
When he says that the action must be stiff, he's right, I didn't argue to the contrary; but you'll get to a point where the action is rigid enough for the intended purpose and while you might be able to make it more rigid, the practical utility of that extra stiffness is negligible. The Savage target action is hardly "big" big the standards that Lilja is using. Compare the Savage action to a Surgeon or Bat. It's tiny. That said, it still makes for an action that has excellent accuracy potential, but so does the basic Savage action.
There's stiff enough and then there's more than stiff enough. Firstly, the Savage actin is beeifer than the Rem700 action. If you look at how a Savage action is cut, the standard receiver has the top and bottom cut out for a wide open ejection port and a large magazine well. The target action has a minimal sized oval cutout for the ejection port and may or may not have the bottom cut out for a magazine. The solid top on the target action makes the action stiffer than a regular action by a significant amount and is really more than stiff enough. The cutout for the magazine does very little to detract from that. Most modern actions are plenty rigid enough to make a respectable target gun from. It's the older or lightweight designs that would be lacking here.
When he says that the action must be stiff, he's right, I didn't argue to the contrary; but you'll get to a point where the action is rigid enough for the intended purpose and while you might be able to make it more rigid, the practical utility of that extra stiffness is negligible. The Savage target action is hardly "big" big the standards that Lilja is using. Compare the Savage action to a Surgeon or Bat. It's tiny. That said, it still makes for an action that has excellent accuracy potential, but so does the basic Savage action.
jogar80
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remington
wickedsprint
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Not impressed with remington QC over last few years. Make mine a savage.
ironworkerwill
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I also have felt the burn of Remington's qc. last 3 remmys I've had have been poorly made and didnt meet my expectations. I loved the older ones tho.
Lupinus
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Personally, NOTHING Remington is doing lately impresses me. Not their out of box product, not their QC, not anything.
I buy a Remmy? I KNOW I'm dumping more money in to it in after market parts.
I buy a Savage, I know that I can if I feel so inclined, but don't really need to.
I buy a Remmy? I KNOW I'm dumping more money in to it in after market parts.
I buy a Savage, I know that I can if I feel so inclined, but don't really need to.
col_temp
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Hi Dehan,
I have been investigating this exact question for the better part of the last 6 weeks. (I'm looking in the 270 range instead of the 223.)
Newer Remingtons get nothing but grief from everyone I talk too.
With an older Remington I am considering comparing to the new Savage 111/110/116 it really is a toss up. I have had a couple of polls up over the last two months about this and you will see the people of this board are just about 50/50 split.
I am ending up getting the Savage for the following reasons:
1. It's new (The least reason!)
2. I'm going to be using this to hunt as such up here in the northwest where it rain a bunch in the fall the synthetic is better. (Ultimately I might replace the stock with a better one later. Something that is easy to do.)
3. The new Savage for which I am getting the Trophy version has a very good scope included. Unless you are REALLY lucky expect to get a crappy scope on and older used Remington.
4. Including a equivalent scope the Remington would have set me back about $650 -700. I will be getting the Savage for just over $500 including an extra $15 on the price since they need to ship it from another store. That $150-200 gives me somewhere between 8-10 extra boxes of ammo to actually practice or add to the set up as in cheek pad, storage and transport case, carrying strap, scope cover, etc...
If possible get out there and hold each and maybe fire them Which one feels better? And do you want a classic gun or something that you can beat around with that is going to be very good out of the box with little maintenance.
Best wishes,
I have been investigating this exact question for the better part of the last 6 weeks. (I'm looking in the 270 range instead of the 223.)
Newer Remingtons get nothing but grief from everyone I talk too.
With an older Remington I am considering comparing to the new Savage 111/110/116 it really is a toss up. I have had a couple of polls up over the last two months about this and you will see the people of this board are just about 50/50 split.
I am ending up getting the Savage for the following reasons:
1. It's new (The least reason!)
2. I'm going to be using this to hunt as such up here in the northwest where it rain a bunch in the fall the synthetic is better. (Ultimately I might replace the stock with a better one later. Something that is easy to do.)
3. The new Savage for which I am getting the Trophy version has a very good scope included. Unless you are REALLY lucky expect to get a crappy scope on and older used Remington.
4. Including a equivalent scope the Remington would have set me back about $650 -700. I will be getting the Savage for just over $500 including an extra $15 on the price since they need to ship it from another store. That $150-200 gives me somewhere between 8-10 extra boxes of ammo to actually practice or add to the set up as in cheek pad, storage and transport case, carrying strap, scope cover, etc...
If possible get out there and hold each and maybe fire them Which one feels better? And do you want a classic gun or something that you can beat around with that is going to be very good out of the box with little maintenance.
Best wishes,
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