Replacement for my pocket knife

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not that a slip joint cant be used for self defense , if you attempt to cut the wrong way , yes it is more than likely going to close on you , but face it , if you are in that much of a bind you use what you got. Slip joint is less than an ideal choice for self defense. A lock back would be the minimum choice.

If I had my choice when if the time ever came , I would prefer a small fixed blade over a slip , lockback , liner lock or framelock.

I know SM and others prefer the match stick trick , I however prefer to have the tip of whatever knife I carry well below the liner of the knife.

If you want fast out of the pocket , it is hard to beat the Emerson wave , though most of the time I can equal it with the dbl thumbstuds on my Strider AR , by catching them on the pocket on the draw stroke.

With all the good choices out there , if one can't find a knife that meets their needs/requirements , they haven't looked hard enuff.
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Defensive Knife

Oh, my.

Trickshot, have you searched this forum for threads on defensive use of knives?

The short answer is defense with a knife is generally a bad idea.

If you really must use a knife for defensive purposes, then a locking knife is preferred over one that doesn't lock.

I may have neglected to mention that defense with a knife is generally a bad idea. Messy. Contact distance fighting means you are as close to him as he is to you.

If you just absolutely must use a slipjoint for self defense, I'm sure it could be done, but in my humble opinion (based on no personal experience) you would not want to stab, but rather to slash (think "straight razor").

I have no training in knife fighting. I used to fence, and I have some small degree of confidence in my ability with a sword, but fighting with knives just gives me the willies. I'd rather engage with a rolled up magazine or newspaper. Or an umbrella. Or a cane. Or a roll of shelf paper.

I once had a guy tell me he'd rather take on a knife-wielding attacker with his bare hands rather than try to use a knife. Of course, he was pretty good with his hands.

Anyway.

I just though I'd mention this so you'd have an opportunity to consider your options.
 
We're an eclectic bunch ain't we?

*grin*

I mean I do the traditional bit and toss in how to shake a cane and say "git outta my yard!" for nuthin'.

JTW Jr is gonna toss in his two cents...

The Tourist is going ride up on Black Betty with his Professional Sharpening angle.
(I finally got a chance to use that pun)

Valkman, is going to toss in his two cents when his dawg ain't using his 'puter.

hso will share with us health and safety angle, some history and all...

JShirley will razzle and dazzle with a picture and good information...

etc.

Listen, the best thing one can do if they ask about a Pocket Knife around this joint, is to just collect the whole set.

I mean it is all good, and we have a good time, but you have to be nuts if you think you are going to have just one knife be recommended.


Hey, beats TeeVee don't it?


*grin*
 
whoa...wait a cotton pickin minute.... Valkman is letting his dog use the puter ? First the mill , and now the PC ??

man that town of Pahrump is going to the dog's I tell ya.

Get yerself a nice traditional to use..and maybe a locking folder or small fixed blade if you think you might need to use it for defense. The best defense is avoidance :)

as SM said , knife defense aint gonna be pretty either way. Fighting with a knife is best left to those that dedicate their training to fighting using a knife.

Me ? I have enuff trouble fighting with these stupid blister packs they package kids toys in or fighting with the wife over buying more knives...I dont mess with her , she has a gun...and PMS , that defeats any locking blade I could have. ;)
 
It seems like there is a lot more violence nowadays, and its getting worse all the time. A lot more crazy doped up violent people around everywhere, even here in the rural midwest. I'm getting older and because of chronic illness I'm a lot weaker than I used to be. Hopefully I'm wise enough now to avoid trouble. But I thought if I should ever end up in a situation where someone is trying to beat me to death I would like to have a daily carry pocket knife that would also work well as a weapon. Thats all. I'm also going to get a permit to carry a concealed gun and if I should ever have to defend my life, shooting would be my first choice.
 
That's a good stance, and one that I think just about all of us can agree on.

I personally favor other things for defensive use- a full 16-20oz drinking bottle of water or Coke, applied to an attacker's temple, could ruin their whole day. A mini Maglite could do the same thing. A closed folding knife, held with the end protruding from the bottom of your fist, adds quite a wallop to a hammerfist.

If you had a small metal light on a lanyard, you would have even more reach to keep yourself out of harms way, and the darn thing would be handy to have, anyway. Just some thoughts. :)

John
 
trickshot,

I and too many others around here fully understand how you feel.

I am 53, and I spent most of my day around evil persons, in a restrictive area, where I could not have any weapons.
No gun, no knife, no nail file, nail clippers, mace, - nothing.

Metal Detectors, wands, and subject to search.
One setting, where I parked was some distance from the structure.
Another one my vehicle was subject to search .

I ran into persons from my past that do not like me very well, and do not wish me good health.

Yes, I can empathize, as can others around here.

Stick beats knife.

See, I do not want to get that close to evil, especially with a knife, or anything edged , either them or me, never have.
I have had to and this was in my youth.
One time if I had not had the damn gun in a holster, I would not of had to use the next tool I could get to, a Slimeline Trapper.
BTDT and I did not get cut.
I stopped an immediate threat, and I mean I did.

Cane or walking stick is low profile, and allows distance.

I carry a Case Peanut for my EDC .

Now when out and about, I prefer a screwdriver to a knife.
Criminals use these, proven street tool, and was proven before gun schools come to be.

Weapon retention, a cane, bottle of water, or scredriver works, and looks better in front of first responders, grand jury and jury of 12 peers.

Screwdrivers do not fold, or cut the user.
When a knife is used, somebody is going to get cut, and most times the user is going to get cut as well.

I am not trying to talk you out of one hand opening knife, or one that locks.
I care.
So me being me, has to share my thoughts and suggest folks think about a knife for a defensive tool, being at the top of the list when they also ask about a pocket knife.

Just me.

One might want to consider a cane, walking stick or even investigate a rolled up magazine when in a setting they cannot have a knife at all, and left the cane at home.


I really do understand how you feel.
 
I also understand how you feel, though I'm not quite as... "experienced" as Steve. ;D

I use a cane/walking stick daily. I do not "need" it daily, but I have some issues that crop up intermittently and usually unexpectedly that, when they do, demand the cane if I am to stay ambulatory. Sometimes, just to stay vertical when I would prefer to be.

If I were to get into a serious wrestling match with a strong, reasonably sized young man, if I got twisted wrong (very easy to do in a wrestling match), I would shortly be in enough pain that I would probably be unable to continue, regardless of desire. If that person wished me ill, it would put me at the same kind of disadvantage that a more "experienced" member of our society would be in.

I look to my stick as being a deterrent and distancing tool, preferable to wrestling myself away from harm or sticking "harm" with a knife -- I am not above doing so, though the one time I had to stick a person with something, the only pointy implement I had available was a pen. It worked. Whenever possible/legal, a good pocketknife and pistol are also my constant companions, still, I have never been denied the use of my stick or a pen, even on commercial flights, and can't imagine a situation that would require giving either up.

Bottom line is, you always have options available, even if your preferred option isn't, and even if physical limitations (injury, age, whatever) put you at a perceived disadvantage.
 
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All long: 20.5CM
The blade is long: 8CM
The blade is thick: 0.3CM
Blade material: 440C
Degree of hardness: 58HRC
Handle material: Natural shadow wood
Net weight: 125g
The surface handle:Ash titanium

Carefully:This knife is fine to open Feng and the abnormality is sharp!


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Darn dog lookin' at puppyporn.com!

Anyway, I've always been big and strong and never, ever carried a knife as anything but a tool. Never a weapon - If needed I used my fists except for the time I got robbed at gunpoint (worked at a gas station) and a knife wouldn't have done much good there.

Now I'm much weaker and afflicted with arthritis everywhere. I live where CCW is easy to get so I carry a gun all the time, especially when going to Vegas. Whether I'm carrying a Strider, Emerson or Case the last thing in the world I want to get in is a knife fight. If you can get a CCW then do that as deadly force is deadly force whether by knife or gun and I'd much rather be the one with the gun.

The cane is a great idea, and I have a good one but never carry it. Not sure why, how I'd be perceived I guess. Weird! :)
 
Isn't a devise that will clamp to the blade so it can be opened "one handed" available? If so pick the knife you want, like, or fills your needs the best and buy it.

That Browning is a good looking knife, I like it, want to see one in the flesh,
Looking at the nice Browning buck cut out causes me to wonder if that would not substantially weaken the blade making it a whole bunch easier to break there under heavy working conditions?
What do you knowledgeable knife makers think?
 
I'm no expert, But I don't think so. Lots of manufacturers cut holes in perfectly good blades. Spyderco, Benchmade, etc.
Again, I'm no expert, but I don't think it would harm the knife.
 
I thought I suggested that one earlier...

MooreMaker tools and other things I have used, and these are quality products.
I have not actually used their knives or their small stone, still everything I do hear, is great.

One of their knives, and that 3 1/2 " stone of theirs is proven by quite a few folks doing farming, ranching, timber marking, hunting, guiding and so much more.

http://catalog.mooremaker.com/viewProduct.cfm?item_id=392629
 
Maybe we've covered this in the past: I'm not sure.

I often caution folks who want to carry a knife for self-defense. This is not because I am not perfectly aware that knives can be quite effective on flesh, but because our culture seems to have gotten this weird idea about knife on knife duels.

Knife duels are just silly. Silly to contemplate, and damn silly to be involved in.

Distance is your friend. The firearm has two advantages over almost any other weapon system. The first advantage is short train-up time, since it takes less time to become dangerous than almost anything else. Before the advent of reliable firearms, months or years were required to become truly proficient with any weapon. 30 minutes of explanation and weapons familiarization, and a hour at a range, and a person can be dangerous to attackers with a firearm. Yes, practice will be needed, but that same amount of time with most other weapons systems will give you much less return.

The second and most important advantage of the firearm is distance. The more highly trained, vicious and effective your attacker is, the more important keeping them from closing with you becomes.

If a firearm is not an option, anything to deliver force over distance to an attacker should be used.

How NOT to use a knife.

Should one be without a firearm, and feel the need to use PLF (I'm going to call it potentially lethal force, because the use of even so-called lethal force weapons is usually survived), the knife should almost NEVER be displayed. Small knives are tools to be used against attackers that DO NOT know you're armed with a weapon. If a small knife is displayed and brandished, a potential attacker, even if not previously using a weapon, will most likely escalate to one. (This is part of the reason I laugh, somewhat sadly, when folks talk about the "intimidation factor" of a particular knife. Your honor, I was badly intimidated by the deceased. He scared me badly. Why did I shoot him ten times? Your honor, I ran out of ammo.)

Other weapons are usually preferable to knives for defensive use. The best way to use a small blade defensively, is when one has somehow been taken by surprise, or been overcome and taken down in a life threatening situation. In those cases, a knife can be used to cut the way clear. Because it will need to be instantly accessed, knives used for this purpose should be accessible.

This is why I feel the Daily Carry Knife should usually have a pocket clip and quick opening mechanism. Like a holster for a handgun, a clip can hold a folder in a familiar and instantly accessed place for right damn now use. Depending on how you've been attacked, your enemy's hands might be an ideal target for a cut, especially if one or both is holding you. DO NOT LOOK at your target if in this situation.

Maintain situational awareness. Look at your enemy if he's facing you. Don't look in his eyes, look about as his eyebrows with an open gaze so you can see as much of his movements as possible.

I am of course not talking about simple misunderstandings between friends, I am talking about life and death. Have a plan before you get into trouble. Then try not to get into trouble. If you do get into trouble, if you have several programmed responses to certain attacks, you don't have to consciously think about those responses. They're already trained in, so your mind is free to do other things like figure out how to escape and evade once you're clear of the immediate threat.

There is only so much that can be taught without direct interaction. Knives have a place in the defensive pyramid, but they're the tools you may have to use when you're about to have your lights put out, perhaps permanently. If you're using a knife, things have probably gone very bad. Learn some effective targets with knives, and carefully practice cutting, but learn other things, like running, how to use pepper spray, medium to large dogs, firearms, canes, and even by god, vehicles, if it comes to it.

Y'all be safe out there.

John
 
cut out causes me to wonder if that would not substantially weaken the blade making it a whole bunch easier to break there under heavy working conditions?
I guess that all depends on whether you are using it as a knife or as a pry bar.
Key was "heavy working conditions". If your cleaning a deer or young elk and using both hands to pull that blade hard enough to split his brisket, or boning a critter in the field and working around joints or a hundred other ways a working knife can be used without abusing it or using it as a pry bar. The knife I carry in the field better be capable of these chores or it's about worthless as a tool unless cutting veggies or the like.
For me at least this is how a large folding knife has a very good chance of being used so to cut out about 75% of the blades strength so it looks cool seemed excessive to my old eyes, but then again maybe I am missing something. I like stuff that looks pretty as well as the next guy but looks don't always get the job done was kinda my train of thought.
Still that is durn good looking knife.
 
I can't stand the "tacticool" knives everyone seems to have these days. For pocket knives I snatch up vintage Case XX's with solid brass trimmings. Using a blade for self defense is mall ninja stuff, but in a pinch you need something with a pointy end.
 
Cosmoline,

I thought about you this morning while at the feed and store where they have Case knives.

Young man, of a friend of mine and she asked me assist with this fella, about to turn 21 years old.

He chose a Case Sodbuster Jr, yellow handle, CV blades, and simple cattle cane.
Something she and I had discussed with him, and assisted him on all this.

His CCW will be an older Colt Detective Special.

He "got fed up" with his peers, gun magazines and all.
Sold that fancy bike, he had to have, and found a plain old fashioned one.
Glock 26, magazines said he had to have, and he was given, that went toward the Colt DS.
His tactical knives, nice ones, some expensive, he got rid of.

His granddaddy spent time in Alaska on the pipeline back in the day.
He carried a Colt DS, Simple Case Knife and had a simple bike.
Often toted a simple cane when in some shady parts of town...

He has Granddad's Colt and Case knife...those are set back, and sentimental.

"Them old farts knew something, and one can learn from history..." shared

Just something a 20 year old shaking a cane and saying "git outta my yard".
I need to work with him on that part a bit more...*lol*

Seriously, down my way, quite a few young folks, guys and gals are either getting rid of new and fangled, and going traditional or not even interested in getting involved with new, fangled and tactical to begin with.

Lady carries a 70's vintage Case quite often, since that one is sentimental, she has a newer one like it.
She totes a Model 19.

She never even considered a new and fangled when they come to be.
 
I agree Cosmoline. Got real lucky this weekend and found a older Gerber folder. It was their answer to Bucks folding hunter only thinner, introduced about 1970, I believe. Brass with wood scales. One if the scales is missing on this one but the way they are made that doesn't really affect it a bit. Besides, whatdayawant for 50 cents. Love them yard sales.
 
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