bushmaster1313
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So how does it shoot?
Can you hit anything with it.
What about the recoil?
Can you hit anything with it.
What about the recoil?
Replica gangster shotgun
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I do not want to burst anyones bubble, but the shotguns used in the St. Valentine Day event were 2 12 gauge double barrels. How does one know? Because the fired cases (4 of them) did not have any extractor or ejector markings on them which they would have if they had been worked through a mechanical action as in a pump or semi auto. The gun is still a really neat repro of an era gangster gun as many of them did exactly that to their guns-proves they were not so smart after all because a PGO shotgun is all but useless except at point blank range, but at that range they sure could ruin your day.
Clyde Barrow who did actually have some developed shooting skills always left enough buttstock on his cut down shotguns to shoulder them. The PGO shotguns credited to the barrow gang belonged to another member of the gang or were picked up and wrongly credited to the gang. Despite his being portrayed in movies as shooting from the hip, Clyde almost always shouldered his long guns for accuracy, even his cut down BARs, which must have really hurt. It was this shooting for accuracy that made him so deadly and feared by the lawmen of the era, one must also remember that during this time most police personnel almost never trained with weapons, mainly due to depression era lack of funds by the agencies. It was the FBI training that made them so stand out, most every other agency trained little if at all. The lawmen that were skilled shots became so on their own time and budget.
Clyde Barrow who did actually have some developed shooting skills always left enough buttstock on his cut down shotguns to shoulder them. The PGO shotguns credited to the barrow gang belonged to another member of the gang or were picked up and wrongly credited to the gang. Despite his being portrayed in movies as shooting from the hip, Clyde almost always shouldered his long guns for accuracy, even his cut down BARs, which must have really hurt. It was this shooting for accuracy that made him so deadly and feared by the lawmen of the era, one must also remember that during this time most police personnel almost never trained with weapons, mainly due to depression era lack of funds by the agencies. It was the FBI training that made them so stand out, most every other agency trained little if at all. The lawmen that were skilled shots became so on their own time and budget.
sherman123
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I wouldn't want to do that to a Savage pump but more power to the man for doing what he wants with his shotgun. The OP is a true OG.
That gun is no different than the Mossberg 500 Cruisers with just a pistol grip and none of the "Useless Weapon" stereotypes they get on gun forums.
But imo this looks waaay cooler than a black Mossy Cruiser.
I have a whole 50 caliber ammo can full of 12 gauge slugs and 00buck and 3" mag BB shot that id love to put threw a fun gun like that.
I agree with a hammer is a hammer.
But i also agree a stupid useless hammer is still stupid and useless, Like the Cruiser imo.
IMO it has no purpose past the FUN aspect. If you buy one for that then it isn't stupid and useless. Its better than nothing for HD but better could have been purchased for less money and been way more effective.
Sorry to step on any toes, But just pointing out how much fun this gun could be for such a low price. And actually the more beat up and dangerous it looks the better.
Maybe i can justify buying one as a "fun" gun some day. God knows i need a reason to practice with my HD SG anyhow.
But imo this looks waaay cooler than a black Mossy Cruiser.
I have a whole 50 caliber ammo can full of 12 gauge slugs and 00buck and 3" mag BB shot that id love to put threw a fun gun like that.
I agree with a hammer is a hammer.
But i also agree a stupid useless hammer is still stupid and useless, Like the Cruiser imo.
IMO it has no purpose past the FUN aspect. If you buy one for that then it isn't stupid and useless. Its better than nothing for HD but better could have been purchased for less money and been way more effective.
Sorry to step on any toes, But just pointing out how much fun this gun could be for such a low price. And actually the more beat up and dangerous it looks the better.
Maybe i can justify buying one as a "fun" gun some day. God knows i need a reason to practice with my HD SG anyhow.
Dave McCracken
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527, if the fellow tried that from a regulation trap at regulation distance, we'd not see it on Youtube. That's because he'd not hit many.
He's not shooting trap. He's standing right behind the target shooting straightaways. And from the short time it takes for the target to start dropping, those are some slow birds.
Add speed, angles and distance, he'd be humiliated on targets even a new shooter with a regular shotgun would hit most of the time.
As for why I'm down on PGOs.....
This forum is for real info about all uses of shotguns in the real world. Not Halo, gangster movies or John Wayne shootemups. Nor for macho chestbeating or Alpha Male posturing. We don't do what gun for zombie threads, TEOTWAWKI, or ULTIMATE shotgun threads with lots of pics of brand new shotguns that never have been fired and may never be.
But if a new shooter want to to find out how to bust a clay, put food on the table, protect his/her family,self and community,and to do so with a shotgun, we're here to do that.
Yes, I'm an old man with strong opinions. Said opinions have been formed over half a century of shotgunning in most aspects.
When I say that PGOs are harder to shoot well than standard shotguns, that's based on hundreds of rounds expended, and seeing scores of shooters expending thousands. Not on a couple videos or something I read.
Finally, this thread has veered over the line but I'm not closing it. Also, I can handle a few insults, but remember personal attacks are verboten under the rules we all agreed to at registry.
Stick to the issues.
He's not shooting trap. He's standing right behind the target shooting straightaways. And from the short time it takes for the target to start dropping, those are some slow birds.
Add speed, angles and distance, he'd be humiliated on targets even a new shooter with a regular shotgun would hit most of the time.
As for why I'm down on PGOs.....
This forum is for real info about all uses of shotguns in the real world. Not Halo, gangster movies or John Wayne shootemups. Nor for macho chestbeating or Alpha Male posturing. We don't do what gun for zombie threads, TEOTWAWKI, or ULTIMATE shotgun threads with lots of pics of brand new shotguns that never have been fired and may never be.
But if a new shooter want to to find out how to bust a clay, put food on the table, protect his/her family,self and community,and to do so with a shotgun, we're here to do that.
Yes, I'm an old man with strong opinions. Said opinions have been formed over half a century of shotgunning in most aspects.
When I say that PGOs are harder to shoot well than standard shotguns, that's based on hundreds of rounds expended, and seeing scores of shooters expending thousands. Not on a couple videos or something I read.
Finally, this thread has veered over the line but I'm not closing it. Also, I can handle a few insults, but remember personal attacks are verboten under the rules we all agreed to at registry.
Stick to the issues.
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I guess from your comments, the only use for a shotgun is for shooting trap.
Darn, I'll need to throw mine away, I don't shoot trap.
I thought the OP made it perfectly clear he did it for the historical value, and fun.
...and that's fine with me............no insult intended.
Might as well post this one again, I wish the quality was better.
This isn't a trap line or official shoot.... just a spring loaded launcher launching old range picked up clays.
First clay hit clean
Second clay broke in the launcher and I hit the biggest chunk that flew
Third clay was deflected by the third shot (nicked) and then the forth shot dropped it ( nicked again) and the fifth shot missed.
This was a few years ago and my first time shooting clays with a pistol gripped shotgun and the third time I'd ever shot clays.
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This isn't a trap line or official shoot.... just a spring loaded launcher launching old range picked up clays.
First clay hit clean
Second clay broke in the launcher and I hit the biggest chunk that flew
Third clay was deflected by the third shot (nicked) and then the forth shot dropped it ( nicked again) and the fifth shot missed.
This was a few years ago and my first time shooting clays with a pistol gripped shotgun and the third time I'd ever shot clays.
TexasGunbie
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All these silly controversies... just sell me the gun for the price you bought it for and it's done. No one else will haunt you.
If you just give it to me for free, people will actually give you much applauds.
If you just give it to me for free, people will actually give you much applauds.
Handgunner
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Too bad he can't respect other's choices.
twaits
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Jack, actually there was a 12 gauge and a 20 ga used in the massacre. And there were extractor marks on the 12 gauge shells. Watch this program:
http://video.pbs.org/video/1559935158/
This isn't the only place that states this. The excellent book "Mr. Capone" by Robert Schoenberg also states this and it's the most respected history book on Capone.
But like stated in the documentary there's no proof that that shotgun was used in the SVDM. All they know is that the shells came from a slide action 12 gauge. There was a 20 Gauge shotgun confiscated by Fred "Killer" Burke along with the two Thompsons that were used in the Massacre. It was cut down in a similar fashion.
I have been e-mailing Mario Gomes who runs the excellent website www.myalcaponemuseum.com. It is his opinion that the shotgun was probably not used in the massacre but he feels 100% sure it did come from gangland Chicago because of it's background. You can see it's background in the History Detectives episode above.
Either way, I liked it so I made one.
Someone else asked how it shoots. It shoots good. A little freaky at first because you can slam fire it. But it's a lot of fun to shoot. The recoil wasn't too bad but I was only firing low brass field loads. Heavy high brass loads would probably be a different story!
http://video.pbs.org/video/1559935158/
This isn't the only place that states this. The excellent book "Mr. Capone" by Robert Schoenberg also states this and it's the most respected history book on Capone.
But like stated in the documentary there's no proof that that shotgun was used in the SVDM. All they know is that the shells came from a slide action 12 gauge. There was a 20 Gauge shotgun confiscated by Fred "Killer" Burke along with the two Thompsons that were used in the Massacre. It was cut down in a similar fashion.
I have been e-mailing Mario Gomes who runs the excellent website www.myalcaponemuseum.com. It is his opinion that the shotgun was probably not used in the massacre but he feels 100% sure it did come from gangland Chicago because of it's background. You can see it's background in the History Detectives episode above.
Either way, I liked it so I made one.
Someone else asked how it shoots. It shoots good. A little freaky at first because you can slam fire it. But it's a lot of fun to shoot. The recoil wasn't too bad but I was only firing low brass field loads. Heavy high brass loads would probably be a different story!
twaits
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Well that said I guess I'll get back over to the Coltforum. The moderators over there are much more repectful and professional and not so uptight.
I've never seen a moderator tear into someone for posting a gun of ANY type there whether it's a Colt or not. Feels a little like a playground over here.
Enjoy your forum Dave. See ya.
I've never seen a moderator tear into someone for posting a gun of ANY type there whether it's a Colt or not. Feels a little like a playground over here.
Enjoy your forum Dave. See ya.
rromeo
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I found a Western Field 12ga locally for $150. I'm going to buy it and it will be placed into protective custody. If somebody wants to chop it up, they need to show me ID that they are actual gangsters, and not just some wannabes.
Seems to me, the "topic" of this thread was about a guy making use of an old shotgun. Not IF there is a good use for a PGO shotgun.
So the fact that someone got up on their soapbox and preached for half a page about how great they are and how they want to challenge any and all comers to a shooting match, and how useless a PGO is. Well, to me THATS off topic. And then to beat all, the same person comes back and tells everyone to stay on topic. I guess the replys to his rant wasn't positive towards him so he feels like he can lay down the law now.
I'm with twaits, I'm going back to the other forums. Since Dave feels like he owns this one and he is the only one who is correct. Like he twaits said " enjoy YOUR forum Dave !!! "
So the fact that someone got up on their soapbox and preached for half a page about how great they are and how they want to challenge any and all comers to a shooting match, and how useless a PGO is. Well, to me THATS off topic. And then to beat all, the same person comes back and tells everyone to stay on topic. I guess the replys to his rant wasn't positive towards him so he feels like he can lay down the law now.
I'm with twaits, I'm going back to the other forums. Since Dave feels like he owns this one and he is the only one who is correct. Like he twaits said " enjoy YOUR forum Dave !!! "
Maybe a "Why PGO is not as good as full stock" sticky is needed, then Dave can simply link to the sticky instead of having to type out long responses each time PGO's are discussed.
I'm pretty confident in my own ability to choose what I like and dislike in life and when it comes to guns there's not much that I dislike!
I'm pretty confident in my own ability to choose what I like and dislike in life and when it comes to guns there's not much that I dislike!
amd6547
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Well, I like PGO shotguns, and shoot them very well within their limits.
The response to them on the shotgun forum, and the moderation thereof, has led me to completely avoid the area.
The response to them on the shotgun forum, and the moderation thereof, has led me to completely avoid the area.
Dave McCracken
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Closed, my patience is exhausted.....
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