Repro Quality for Newbees

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Das Jaeger

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Recently in a thread by alias "THEWALL" , it got me thinkin about you all that have no experience in cap and ball guns and your desire to attain the best gun for the buck depending on what your desires for the gun are . I did not want to steal his thunder on his post of the new gun so started this one . While I am extremely happy for him to have gotten his new Pietta 1858 NA and it has a good trigger pull , at least acceptable obviously , it made me think of the rest of you folks that are looking at getting new guns , especailly newbees .
If your intention is shooting CASS or any competion or fine target work , forget about out of the box Piettas , especailly the 58 Army .
If you want a good solid well built gun that you can drop out of a pick-up truck and it will still run , then the Pietta is a great choice . Same holds true with Uberti for dropping out of pick-up , but the trigger pull will still be exceptional too :D
BUT !!!!!! Don't expect to shoot well with the stock trigger in competion or at targets , it aint happenin with Pietta . On the rare exception , and I mean VERY rare , the trigger will be acceptable at best for that kind of work .
Yes the prices are good for the Pietta , especailly on sale, but don't expect a Uberti quailty trigger or finish on your gun , or you'll be HIGHLY disappointed . I have allot of Piettas , and I mean allot , none of them were excellent triggers out of the box , none . One is really good stock , but excellent like Uberti , not even close . Even my $800 LeMats are not excellent triggers , they are very very crisp and nice , but my standard untouched Ubertis are better .

This is in now way a plug for Uberti , becasue you pay way more for Uberti , way more . But for serious shooting , I would seriously look at a Uberti or Ruger for your choices before settling on something that might get you buy and is cheaply priced . You get what you pay for ! Unless your willing to spend more money on gunsmithing or able to do some minor trigger upgrades or work yourself , save your headache if your getting into serious work with these guns and buy a Uberti first , or Ruger .

That being said the Piettas are fine guns too, just not as refined , especially in fit and finish . They are comming along , but my Ubertis are Caddilacs compaired to my Chevy Nova Piettas . Some of the high end Piettas are really well finished but they also cost $600 and $800 respectively . Once again you get what you pay for . Remember that !

This is Uberti , and you can plainly see for the other $100 over Piettas same gun , it is refined inside and out , and no silly writing on it , bonus . :D

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Buyer beware is my point , Don't expect the Taj Mahal when buying the Outhouse . :D

Das Jaeger
 
What about the difference in the size of the grips?
Do the Piettas still have the larger stock grips or has Uberti enlarged theirs?

I know that Uberti has switched to forged frames if that matters to some.

The Piettas may have tighter bores, but admittedly there's no way to know the quality of every gun made and sold by both companies.
Some Uberti folks might be surprised to hear about just how nice some of the Pietta triggers can be right out of the box.
Depending on which Uberti or Pietta box is chosen for shipment, price is not always the determining factor of quality.
There's been plenty of examples of quality problems with individual guns from both companies.
Even Ruger & Pedersoli has their share of lemons.
And don't forget about Euroarms guns.
Some folks think that they're the best with their chamfered chamber mouths.:)
 
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Dont let it stop ya

from buying a Pietta though, that isn't my intention . :banghead:
I just want people to be aware of the facts , as "I" see them . :D
I have the same amount of Piettas as Ubertis if that tells ya anything too . :D
Neither company makes the same guns , and Pietta far exceeds the FUN GUNS than Uberti does . Uberti is all about Histerically correct moreso than Pietta is all , Pietta makes some realy fine guns too , that in Finish exceed Uberti by far except from the Custom shop, the Lemat and the Old Silver are two of them . But the Price !
And Uberti don't make either of those , so you have to buy what you want then Modifiy them to run like you need them to run depending on what your shooting Sport is .
I mean just look at this Old Silver Model of Piettas . They are in excess of $550 now, if you can even find one , but they are truly fine and good triggers :D ..But boy is this ever a fine lookin gun , dont matter who made it either, tis just the appitomy of fine craftsmenship from Italy .


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And then there is the $200 guns and $200 trigger pulls :D

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Nuff said , and no problem for the headsup Cosmo ...
Oh yeh Articap , the Euroarms are fine too , better than Uberti or Pietta but I only have two examples , both fine out of the box though :D
Reguardless , Pietta has MANY more lemons than Uberti in my experience .
And yes, Piettas are the Biggest guns .

Jaeger :D
 
Which one is easiest to fit with conversion cyl,or is their any difference. Do you recomend stainless and can I use it in CA? I shot my first bp revolver today a brass framed no name. Shot surprisingly well. I got it for 20 bucks and have been waiting for balls to arrive. I am looking to start mounted CA in spring and have to have another SA 45 lc . Thought I would buy a BP revolver and conversion cly I know its not cheaper but I really like to touch of bp and see their eyes if you know what I mean. Sorry about so many questions.
 
Either

is a drop in fit for Civil War Era style R and D cylinders . I have no experience from Kirsts and cant comment .
I have a few and never had a problem with any problems with running for either brand gun ?
I dont shoot CASS , SS ? Dont know ?

No questions are stupid, the ones unasked are though :D
Nice price on the gun you got , jeeeeez !

Jaeger
 
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I'm not one to buy a bunch of guns, mainly 'cause I'll never find time to shoot 'em all. I'd rather have a couple of top-quality guns than a bunch of lower-quality guns. Obviously, I'd rather spend the extra money for quality. My first (and only, so far) C&B is an Uberti 1860 from Taylor's (bought through Dixon's). And my next one will be an Uberti Walker from Cimarron. Those may very well be the only 2 C&Bs I ever own, but I know they will last me a lifetime. And believe me, I sure don't baby my guns. I bought the 1860 on 7/3 and put more than 200 balls through it before I went in the hospital on 8/6. If the rain holds off, I might take it out again tomorrow for the first time since my hospitalization.
 
Have to point it straight down to rotate cyl . Spring gone that engages cyl rotating device [crd for short lol] Little rusty and rough had to close my eyes first shot but it held together.
 
Have to point it straight down to rotate cyl . Spring gone that engages cyl rotating device [crd for short lol] Little rusty and rough had to close my eyes first shot but it held together.
Hmmmm... I'll bet you find it's never been taken fully apart and cleaned. Am I smellin' a fouled bolt/trigger spring m'be?

Congrats on the find !!
 
Hey where'd

you learn how to speak Revolver EAZZZZE !
Your comming right along Grasshopper :D
And you actualy sound like you know what your talking about , my specailty :D
Yup , sounds broke , I is covering my basis this way :neener:

Jaeger
 
Homie's got good toodlin' types 'round here to guides me progress'. :D Amazing how jumpin' in to investigate and such will change your perspective and help ya to mentally visualize stuffs later on down the road. :D
 
Hogshead,
Taylors lists an Uberti 1858 Conversion pistol and the ad states that it allows "for easy transition from black powder to centerfire cartridges".

http://www.taylorsfirearms.com/products/cfRemingtonConversion.tpl

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1858 Remington Conversion
These versatile firearms allow for easy transition from black powder to centerfire cartridges. The original frames were dovetailed to allow the ejector assembly to slide into place. The loading lever screw, passing through from the left side of the frame, secured the ejector assembly. A small notch was cut into the loading lever to allow a rest for the "L" shaped tip of the ejector rod.


A THR member reported buying one only to learn that the frame was too large for the standard Uberti black powder cylinder to fit.
He complained that he ended up having to sell it off.
I don't know if it's really designed to shoot percussion or not. Maybe the advertisement is misleading, or maybe they have come out with a percussion cylinder for it, or maybe the ad is only referring to shooting black powder cartridges.
If you call and ask they can tell you if the percussion cylinder can be fitted to it or not.
If not, they sell conversion cylinders for most all of their other Uberti & Pietta models and can fit one to which ever model that you'd like to buy.

Here's post #11 from the thread about that special Uberti 1858 conversion model pistol:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=438508&highlight=taylor+conversion

I just sold a Taylors New Model Army Conversion with a 5 1/2" in .45. It shot really well and POA. It will not accept a uberti Reminton cylinder as they show in the adds. At first they (Uberti) said they came with them, but it never happened as far as I know. The cylinder is bigger O.D. to accept the .45 casings. I sold mine to get a Cimarron 7th Cav model.

The only complaint with a uberti to a Pietta, and I have both, is the uberti smacks my middle knuckle. So I started shooting 45 schofields in the conversion and it wasn't a problem.
 
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Ill' let ya shoot it

too if ya want :D
It's dream cake Ratboy68 . Esepcailly with conversion cylinder, smooth pop gun . :D
This is one of them that had a decent trigger out of the box . But I still honed and moly'd it . :D
I would love to have like 100 of them ? All for me ! I am serious ,t heya re very cool to look at and shoot, the engraving up close and personal is TOP notch .
It's mostly Photo Engraved and they Old Silver frame is nice like Perdersoli does their Coin finish , very pretty .
Hell , you can shoot any of them you want for that matter .

Jaeger
 
We'll have to shoot that one and the pimp gun on the same outing !!! I'm lookin' forward to finding out whether mine are nice pulls... or how much it'll take to make 'em nice.
 
Sorry got to reading the ear protection in hd sit post. Cant believe that post is still here. I know for sure I want to be able to shoot cap and ball, and paint can at 25 yard accuracy suits me fine for the cap and ball. Looking to go cheap proably unless you convince me otherwise. I know you cant use con cyl in a brass frame do you think stainless is worth the extra $
 
No creep

and crisp let-off , equals a good pull , prefereably around 3 pounds for basic work , target I like um at about 2 or I can deal with even less . My Olympic TeN MEter stuff is very light , look at it wrong and it will go off . :D
Pietta is much better suited for newbee people . Uberti can be scarey for most people actually, they do a fine job on them , no cocking with your finger on the trigger, no no no , bad idea on Uberti , bad idea anywayz , but youz got to be careful .

Jaeger
 
Depends

if you don't clean your guns much ?
And if you like that look mostly is all .
Its worth it if its worth it to you . I haven't found it to clean easier if thats waht you want to know ? But it won't rust as bad either . I dont; use water to clean my guns though and strip them if I hunt in the rain, so it don't matter to me. I prefer a blued gun personally Hogshead.

Jaeger
 
Ballistrol

is what I use , full strength, lots of patches, never water, water and metal don't mix . JMHO
Nickel guns are easier to clean , not SS . Factoid . :D

jaeger
 
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