Response from Obama

[crazed_ss]

Another note.. just because someone is a gun owner, does not mean they're absolutist-type 2A supporters . My mom owned a gun when I was growing up. My boss owns a gun and goes to the range regularly. Both of them support CA's ban on so-called Assault Weapons. Of the 80 million gun owners, I'd say only a small percentage of those are people who are on the same page as hardcore 2A supporters on this board. For many people who own guns, gun ownership isnt a major point in their life. They might have an old .38 in a drawer and that's it.

 

[Ragnar Danneskjold]

There are also a lot of Fuds and Zumbos that have a "you can have any weapon but mine" mentality. The antis know this a use the "we respect sportsmen" rhetoric to divide and conquer.

 

[crazed_ss]

My point exactly.. not all gun owners are on the same page.. hell, I catch a lot of heat because I dont have a problem with background checks.

*dons flamesuit*

 

[Wedge]

Another note.. just because someone is a gun owner, does not mean they're absolutist-type 2A supporters . My mom owned a gun when I was growing up. My boss owns a gun and goes to the range regularly. Both of them support CA's ban on so-called Assault Weapons. Of the 80 million gun owners, I'd say only a small percentage of those are people who are on the same page as hardcore 2A supporters on this board. For many people who own guns, gun ownership isnt a major point in their life. They might have an old .38 in a drawer and that's it.

QFT

There are SO many gun owners that have a 12 or 20 gauge and/or a .22 like a Marlin 60 and that is it. They got it to shoot cans, bust some clays, deer and bird hunt...some of them are probably old 20 gauge/.22LR Over unders and they could literally do everything they wanted with one gun. They don't care about 2A, most people just don't care and really just want a gun to keep in the house, maybe target shoot and that is it.

I would guess that the number of gun owners that actually care is going to be about 4 million out of 80 million or about 5%. I think that is the number of NRA members that there currently are.

 

[HisSoldier]

"Sportsmen" and guns, isn't that why importation of some smaller handguns with a thumbrest was allowed? The thumbrest means;
It's a sporting gun, not for shooting people.
It's a sporting gun, can't be used to knock over a bank.
It's a sporting gun, the thumb rest makes it more accurate for target use only.

The minutemen grabbed their sporting and hunting guns to overthrow a tyranny.

 

[goon]

I don't think they are actually targeting the "assault weapons".
They're targeting the owners of those guns.

Those people tend to be politically educated, veterans, and willing to stand up to oppose tyranny at the ballot box and quite possibly in other ways as well.
They know that military style rifles are a relatively small segment of the gun industry and so are their owners.
They also know that those guys are the ones that they'd likely be contending with if they suddenly declared the Constitution obsolete and started sending people to camps.
So I think the plan is to eliminate those people from the equation.
Trying to ban their guns is just the means to that end.

The reason they could care less about hunters is that hunters often don't think of it in terms of "opposing tyranny". They look at it as more of a "hobby".
How many would go to war to oppose tyranny? A few at least.
How many would go to war to defend bowling? Not many.

IMO, they figure that if you take the teeth, you don't have to worry about the dog biting you.

BTW - were it not for the gun issue, I would quite possibly be a Democrat. It's not their ideals that I have such a huge difference with.
I just have no trust whatsoever for a group of people who want me disarmed that badly.
Makes me wonder why they want my guns melted into scrap so much...

 

[1200 meters]

For what good it will do, I sent this to the Obama web site. It is a letter I wrote to all senator and congressmen back when Lautenberg gun control legislation was being pushed.

Oppose Lautenberg

The President, in an effort to motivate support for the Clinton/Gore/ Lautenberg/Schumer legislation, said today, “Let’s not dishonor those sacrificed at Columbine by not passing this legislation.” I suggest that with the passage of this legislation the real dishonor is to all those who paid the ultimate price in the defense of the Constitution. The dishonor to the Columbine students is the lack of prosecution of the 250,000 gun law violators discovered by the Brady background checks.
I am a retired soldier with 24 and a half years in the United States Army. With each reenlistment I took an oath to ...” uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic”. While not every member of Congress is a veteran of military service, certainly the ones who are not did not actively cower and shirk that responsibility. Who is the real domestic enemy? The President, Vice President, Senators, Representatives and Judges in the Federal system take a similar oath. “I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect, and defend the constitution of the United States.” The oath does not allow the individual to select which portions of, or amendments to, the Constitution will be defended, protected, or preserved. It is a shame and disgrace that there is a battle being waged in congress over the right of Americans to keep and bear arms, and that right shall not be infringed. Far too often the last word of the 2nd Amendment is neglected. I wonder if it is because the Representatives of the people believe those people too ignorant to understand the meaning of “infringed”, or that they presume the founders use of the word imprudent. Surely having taken an oath of office to preserve, protect, and defend the constitution, one would not attack it . It is unthinkable that Senators and Representatives should attack the very Bill of Rights they are sworn to defend.
I am asking you as a true believer in the Constitution of the United States, to defend it as sworn, and vote against the Lautenberg legislation.

David L. Boltz, MSG(ret) Nashville, Tennessee

 

[Alan Fud]

• The great body of our citizens shoot less as times goes on. We should encourage firearms practice among schoolchildren, and indeed among all, by every means in our power. Thus, and not otherwise, may we be able to assist in preserving peace. The first step ... in the direction of preparation to avert war if possible, and to be fit for war if it should come -- is to teach our citizens to shoot! — President Theodore Roosevelt.
  
  
• Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance. To ensure peace, security, and happiness, the rifle and pistol are indispensable. The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference. When firearms go, all goes. We need them every hour. They deserve a place of honor with all that is good. — President George Washington.

 

[owlhoot]

Hairless, bull's eye!