Revolver recoil right in thumb joint bone.

[GBExpat]

Pachmayr decelerator getting pretty terrible reviews for quality... anyone buy these recently?

The image shown in that link looks like my original circa-1989 Pachmayr grips, not the Decelerators.

Later this morning I will take a pic and upload it..

 

[tightgroup tiger]

My old security Six has those same grips on it from the 1980s. Those are Pachmayr Gripper grips. The ones without the finger grooves are the presentation grips. I really like them.
I have them on all my .357 mags that I shoot. They should really help on .38Spl.
I am also left eye dominant, and shoot revolvers right handed.

 

[Bfh_auto]

https://www.amazon.com/Pachmayr-050...square&qid=1560745617&s=sporting-goods&sr=1-1

Pachmayr decelerator getting pretty terrible reviews for quality... anyone buy these recently?

All the Pachmeyer grips I got had the issue people are complaining about. I didn't think anything of it and just shortened the screw. This was a K-frame, Super Blackhawk and a GP100.
The Hogue may be a better option.

 

[GBExpat]

Quick note!

The Pachmayrs that I like so much on my 629 are Diamond Pros, not Decelerators.

I've been digging around in my kit sorting thru my collection/accumulation of grips (yes, I have the PackRat Gene).

Pic(s) to follow.

 

[WrongHanded]

I have always found Pachmayr revolver grips to have a less than desirable fit and finish. They just look cheap.

But they work!

A problem I've become more aware of in double action revolvers, is the "shoulder" at the top of the backstrap, which is busting your thumb joint. The same spot on my Redhawk bust my thumb joint too. I have some ideas why DA revolvers are designed this way whilst SA revolvers aren't, but musing on the why won't help fix the problem.

To some degree, a grip that pushes the gun slightly higher in the hand by adding material behind the trigger guard, will help reduce the issue you're having with the shoulder on the backstrap. Better yet is to find a grip that rounds out the backstrap profile and fills in the curve that creates the shoulder. If you do an image search on Google for "Bill Jordan grips", you'll see that even decades ago, some thoughtful shooters knew the grip frame was poorly designed.

 

[Fine Figure of a Man]

I get pain pretty quick from the bare blackstrap or grips impacting the innermost joint where my thumb meets my hand.

My 586 has the factory wood grips and with heavy 357's it will cause pain in the middle joint of my thumb. Part of it is my fault, I shoot a lot more light 38 spl loads through it and occasional don't grip it as tightly as I need to for 357 loads. I have cheap Houge grips on a SP 101 and it's a handful with 357's but does not cause any pain in my thumb.
I am also right handed / left eye dominate. Cross dominance is an advantage IMO. I shoot primarily left handed but can shoot just as well right handed with everything except a shotgun (wing shooting).

 

[Armored farmer]

I just realized yesterday that all my .357s have rubber pachmayr grips, including the python. (I just don't leave them on it).
My .45colts have wood or imitation ivory. They dont generate that sharp recoil that the .357 does.

In the competitive shotgunning world, it isnt out of the ordinary to see a pad of moleskin stuck to the offending area of the gun stock that is biting. I dont know if it would help, but for $5 and a trip to the drugstore, you could find out.

 

[Zaydok Allen]

do they make them for square butt Ns? and round butt K?

https://www.hogueinc.com/s-w-k-l-n-x-z-frame-round-butt-rubber-conversion-monogrip-black

It looks like yes on the round butt K frames, but the square Ns are unclear. The link states all S&W frame sizes are available, but when you look at square N frames, I don't see them listed specifically. You may want to poke around.

I don't really care for rubber grips, but I've left them on my X frame so far because they do actually fit my hand and are comfortable to shoot heavy recoiling guns with. I know some folks like them on their model 69s for that reason.

Hope you find something that works man.

 

[1KPerDay]

All the Pachmeyer grips I got had the issue people are complaining about. I didn't think anything of it and just shortened the screw. This was a K-frame, Super Blackhawk and a GP100.
The Hogue may be a better option.

Hogues don't have any for N frame square butt that cover the back strap from what I can see.

 

[GBExpat]

Some of what I have dug out of the pile(s). In the upper right are the OEM grips from my 1975 151- Security Six and either my PP or PPK/s.






Next ... This shows the order of the grips worn by my 629.






Next ... This pic to give a sense of the Diamond Pro grip swell.






Last ... This pic just because it was "on the roll" ... my 2 newest acquisitions during initial detail-strip. Vintage (they are over 90yo) 6" .38spl S&W Mod1905 HE revolvers.

I paused at this stage to finally (cease the procrastination and) craft a Rebound Spring Dis-/Re-Assembly Tool.

 

[1KPerDay]

Thanks. Those diamond pro look great. That's a round butt right?

 

[GBExpat]

That's a round butt right?

Correct.

 

[tightgroup tiger]

I don't understand something, You said your load was 4.2 gr of 231. That is a 38 Spl load and your talking about N Frame revolvers.
How many of these loads are you shooting at one time, or did I mis-understand your post?

 

[1KPerDay]

A lot. But also shooting lighter revolvers. If I started with the 28 I may not feel discomfort at all until switching to lighter guns. But regardless, .357s aren't comfortable on that bone due to grip technique or grip shape or material or a combination.

It may not make sense to you that this is painful to me and that's fine... you can feel free to move along.

 

[tightgroup tiger]

Just calm down, I have arthritis in my thumb in my right hand also. And like you shoot right hand with left dominant eye.
You never mentioned .357s in your original post. You referenced a mid powered 38 spl. load and an N-frame revolver among others.
Something you might want to try is shooting a slower burning powder as it lessons the sharp recoil impulse of faster burning powders.
You may want to be a littler clearer in your posts.
As far as moving along, I'll do that right now.
Have a good day.

 

[whisler]

weird... the one I have has the air pocket and seems to work okay.

The Crimson Trace Grip that I have for the LCR does not have the air pocket.

 

[Pudge]

Also, some find them really ugly to look at, but for shooting, the Ergo Delta Grips for a J Frame work great. You really should give them a try if you're going to shoot your 340 much.

 

[dickydalton]

These Crimson Trace grips don't hurt with full power 44 mags.

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• dickydalton
• Dec 30, 2017

 

[GBExpat]

BTW, I did experience a fitting issue with the Diamond Pro.

It appears that my 1988 629-1 came with a square butt (SB) Strain Screw (tensions the hammer spring) which protrudes quite a bit from the frame and interferes with the grip. I had to get a round butt (RB) strain screw from S&W (they sent one to me free ) in order to have the Diamond Pro fit properly.

For a look at the difference in the two screws, checkout the images on the Numrich site (Part Key# 55) :

https://www.gunpartscorp.com/gun-manufacturer/smith-wesson/revolvers-sw/629-1?page=4

 

[Typetwelve]

Like others are saying, grips, grips, and then grips.

I bought a 4" 629 44 magnum last. It's a newer model and comes with the stock rubber grips. I did not find it pleasant to shoot with magnum loads. Like the OP, right into the joint bone of my right hand.

I swapped to these beauties here last summer:


FREAKING OUCH!!!!

Magnum loads went from uncomfortable to down right painful, it literally bruised my right hand. I stopped shooting magnum loads altogether.

A few months back, I bought these:

https://www.hogueinc.com/s-w-k-l-n-x-z-frame-round-butt-rubber-conversion-monogrip-black

90% reduction (or more) in felt recoil...problem almost nearly solved. They may be ugly as sin, but boy, do they work.

 

[GBExpat]

...problem almost nearly solved. ...

For me the Hogues were better than the Pachmayr Presentation grips ... but the Pachmayr Diamond Pros were much better than the Hogues.

 

[Typetwelve]

For me the Hogues were better than the Pachmayr Presentation grips ... but the Pachmayr Diamond Pros were much better than the Hogues.

I'll give those a try next time I'm looking for a pair, always open to new grips.

 

[1KPerDay]

From what I can see the only pachys available for N frame square are the presentation and decelerators. I ordered the latter to try. Hopefully the reviews have been overly harsh.

 

[Waveski]

Before spending money of various grips try a stout leather glove with the fingers cut off just short of the large knuckle.
I always have such a pair in my range bag. Helps me.

 

[sgt127]

Sorry. First picture was wrong. Yes, lower in the web of the thumb. Right on the joint.

I have gotten to the point that most DA revolvers, above .38 Special, hurt.

I finally figured out what’s going on. I have dainty little hands. Exceptionally strong, just small.

N Frames and even K Frames, the horn of the gun is not centered in the web of my hand. If I Center it, I can’t reach the trigger very well. Any grip that adds more cushioning helps with the recoil but, I need to turn the gun further in my hand thus directing even more recoil into that thumb joint.

I discovered this by dragging out an old SP101. Though smaller and lighter than an N or K frame, I can center the gun in my hand. The recoil is still there, just not that sharp “damn, that feels like I hit my thumb with a hammer” pain.

Pondering sacrificing an old K frame and thinning and rounding the whole backstrap, from the horn to the bottom and, see if it works.