Revolver Safety?

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Vermonter

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I was planning on getting a .357 or .44 revolver for a backpacking/glove-box gun, but I got to wondering how safe they are. I'm a bit worried about not having a safety, seems like something could bounce around and hit the trigger. If it was kept in a holster in the glove-box it would require both hands to get it out.

Am I just being paranoid, or should I look for something with a manual safety? Do any revolvers have one? Or would I need to go to a pistol for that?
 
Well unless you are carrying it with the hammer back I don't think you have to worry about it. I've never fired a revolver where the trigger pull was light enough where it could be accidentally pulled
 
if its a single action the prudent method is to lower the hammer on an emtpy chamber. if its a double action like a smith, ruger, taurus don't worry about it a bit. double action revolvers are amoung the safest gun designs in the world.
 
Vermonter;

If it's a single action with a transfer bar, you don't have to bother with lowering the hammer on an emptly cylinder. The new model Ruger Blackhawks are an excellent example of the breed.

Since any explanation via this medium would be subject to mis-interpretation, I'll simply suggest going to any decent gun emporium & have it shown to you.

Personally, I'd go with a double action though in the circumstance you outlined. Smith model 19 or 66, are the first that come to mind.

900F
 
S&W experimented with a cylinder release/1911 style safety once. You will note that they didn't catch on. The solution to your concern is simple, transfer bar safety.
 
I've never fired a DA revolver, so I didn't realize how much it takes to pull the trigger ;-) I do a bunch of 4wheeling, so things bounce around a lot. Maybe mounting a holster in the glove-box would give me the extra peace of mind.
 
A holster or simple case is never a bad idea.

It does provide an extra measure of safety, as well as helping to keep crud out of the gun.
 
Could you give a bit more explanation of the corrosion problem?

I'm out and about in all sorts of weather so it'll probably be stainless and well cared for.
 
Modern DA/SA revolvers are PERFECTLY safe with six rounds in the cylinder, due to their hammer, firing pin, triggger gaurd, and trigger designs. This is PROVEN by countless thousands of hours of revolver carry.
 
I'm not worried about the revolver by itself.

I'm worried about it bouncing around a glove-box or bag with other objects.
 
Seriously, Vermonter, this is a non-issue. For a modern DA/SA revolver to fire requires intent. Your glove box cannot INTEND to do anything. A holster will keep the gun from getting banged up and prevent unpaid parking tickets from getting crammed down the barrel. The corrosion issue comes from the possibility of condensation build-up in the holster.
CB900F give an excellent suggestion. Go to a good gun store.
 
Yup. There's really no chance at all the gun will accidentally go off. Even with a smooth S&W trigger, it still takes some good force to pull the trigger all the way back. I never worry about my 686, which by the way, is a great all around stainless .357. :D
 
Vermonter:

Many people that are not familiar with handguns are confused about safeties. Basically there are two kinds: Manual and mechanical.

A manual safety is one that the gun user operates. It is usually a lever or button that is swiveled or pushed to position it either to “on†or “off.†This type of safety is most often found on automatic pistols, and only works if the human being with the gun remembers to employ it.

A mechanical safety is one that is an integral part of the gun’s mechanism. The user doesn’t have to put the safety “on†or “off†because the gun does this function by itself. This kind of safety is found on most modern revolvers and some automatic pistols.

If you buy a double-action revolver made by Smith & Wesson, Colt or Ruger you will have a handgun with a mechanical safety and can forget the issue. You could put the revolver in whatever you carried it in with the hammer cocked, and it still wouldn’t fire unless the trigger was held back. Carrying a revolver with the hammer cocked is not recommended of course, but this illustrates how well the safety(s) work.

Physical damage from being bounced around is another matter, and is unrelated to safeties. To protect the gun from this sort of abuse it would be best to carry it in a hard case. In many instances you will find that such a case comes with the gun as standard equipment. If not, a firearms retailer can get whatever you need.

I suggest that you avail yourself of the services of a good dealer, who can show you a selection of revolvers as well as other handguns that will meet your needs, and demonstrate how the various kinds of safeties work.
 
I had some of the same concers but after I picked up my Ruger .357 I realized how hard it would be to go off. If the hammer is down the ammount of force it takes on the trigger pull is impossible to happen automatically. Plus there is a cool feature. If you cock the hammer and pull the trigger but hold the hammer back with your thumb and release the trigger then let the hammer fall the firing pin wont hit. So I think it might not even go off if you have it cocked and then drop it. But I'm not 100% on that.

Although I for some reason always keep a revolver with the hammer resting on an empty cylinder. Thats probably not needed anymore but its one of those paranoid things I have.
 
>> Although I for some reason always keep a revolver with the hammer resting on an empty cylinder. That’s probably not needed anymore but its one of those paranoid things I have. <<

When I am not carrying a revolver as a defensive weapon I do the same. It is not necessary with a modern revolver, such as your Ruger - but old habits die hard. That, and no matter what the age of the gun is, or who made it, I am absolutely safe when the hammer is resting on an empty chamber.

As for your Ruger. Even if you dropped in on a hard surface while it was cocked it still wouldn’t fire. To do so the trigger must be held all of the way back while the hammer is falling.
 
I'm out and about in all sorts of weather so it'll probably be stainless and well cared for.
FYI, 'stainless' is not accurate. Stainless steels can and will rust, they just do it a lot slower than 'non-stainless' ones. The well-cared-for part, however, will likely prevent this.

Mike
 
They are more safe than a Glock

A revolver has a very long trigger pull that is about 14 pounds. A Glock has a shorter trigger pull that is more like 8 - 10 pounds (depending on the connector used). Both are "point and pull" so they are equivalent in function. The Glock "safety on the trigger" is the stupidest thing I ever saw: the safety is defeated when a dummy does the number one violation of safe gun handling: put his finger on the trigger.
 
I have to agree with you Bountyhunter, the trigger safety (safety on the trigger) is about the stupidest thing I have ever seen . I prefer revolvers over semi-auto pistols because they are simple, dependable and safe.
 
AMEN. Preaching to the choir.

I prefer revolvers over semi-auto pistols because they are simple, dependable and safe.
Me too. I have lots of autos and I would never bet my life on one. I would be scared to death and thinking about the last time it jammed.

I have probably shot 50k rounds through my SW wheelguns and have yet to have a problem except on a comp gun I had intentionally lightened the springs in when I had a few misfires on some very hard primers. Of course, even if a revolver misfires, one finger pull and you are at the next round so it is no real problem like having to rack the slide on a bottom feeder to get the dud out of the way.
 
As has been said by many, there is no way a modern revolver will just go off by bouncing around. BUT, the finish on the gun will be quickly ruined letting it bounce around. Keep it in a good padded holster, a gun rug, or a hard case.
 
Could you give a bit more explanation of the corrosion problem?

The chemicals used to tan leather have an unfortunate habit of corroding steel, including stainless steel. Keeping a gun in a sealed container tends to leave it surrounded by humidity, which fosters corrosion.
 
So use a kydex holster :).

About revolver safeties:

There are TWO kinds of "internal, automatically engaging" safeties found in revolvers today. Both work just fine.

Hammer Block: perfected in S&W guns since WW2, worked fairly well before that. Also found in a lot of classic Colts. There is a firing pin mounted on the hammer itself; there's also a piece of metal that "blocks" all forward hammer travel far enough to hit the primer. This "hammerblock" doesn't drop out of the way unless the trigger is pulled. You can thus drop the gun, even slam the hammer with a baseball bat with the gun in a vice and it won't go off.

Transfer Bar: a newer system wherein there's a frame-mounted firing pin which the hammer CANNOT hit. Literally. There's a piece of metal that rises up in between the flat-faced hammer and the firing pin which "transfers" the energy of the hammer to the firing pin. The transfer bar can only rise into position when the hammer is about to fire when the trigger is pulled. NOTE: very often, you'll cock the hammer on a transfer bar gun and the transfer bar will come up into position. BUT if you hold the hammer back, pull the trigger and then lower the hammer by hand with your finger off the trigger, you'll see that the transfer bar drops down below the firing pin by the time the hammer is about 2/3rds of the way forward. This is normal.

ANY double action revolver made since 1910 or so is almost certainly going to have one or the other. Esp. a brand-name gun.

SAs - not so. Ruger single actions made from 1973 forward have transfer bars and are safe fully loaded. Versions before that didn't have an internal safety so if carried fully loaded and dropped were liable to go off. Ruger has a free retrofit program so a lot of the older ones ARE converted. Thumb the hammer back, look in there, once you know what a TB looks like it'll be easy to spot.

More recently, the Beretta Stampede is a "Colt SAA sized near-clone" with a TB. MOST other SAA clones lack proper safeties though; some of the other Italian guns have a piece of garbage "safety" that's not to be trusted, carry these loaded one round less and lower the hammer on the empty cylinder bore like you would a classic Colt SAA.

Freedom Arms has a cool variant of the TB in the "97 frame" where the transfer bar is in a carved-out channel on the hammer, and moves back and forth with the hammer. Very slick, otherwise the same as any TB and these guns can all be carried fully loaded despite otherwise being single action. The FA 83s have a hammer block; FA claims it's not to be fully trusted but that's probably "super lawyer caution" speaking...not sure about that though, if you get one research that point.

HB advantage: since there's fewer parts making contact during firing, there's less friction, so you can run about 25% less mainspring pressure. This contributes to the nice triggers of some classic S&Ws and Colts.

HB disadvantage: if the hammerblock breaks off, the gun is a "zero safety" equivelent of an 1873 Colt SAA. And the firing pin mounted on the hammer is exposed and can break off, leaving you with a paperweight.

TB advantage: the frame-mounted firing pin more or less never breaks, which is why Ruger says "dry-fire all you want".

TB disadvantage: as noted, takes a heavier spring to set it all off. If it breaks, gun is an instant doorstop (can't fire). (Temporary EMERGENCY fix available in the field though: glue or braze a piece of flat metal to the hammer face so it CAN hit the firing pin - zero safety, but it's back in service.)

In practice, neither system has a high failure rate.

When the NYPD was transitioning from DA wheelguns to semi-autos, their rate of accidental discharge went up. You can't get any safer than a DA revolver and an SA with transfer bar isn't too far behind.
 
Vermonster,
You're in a good area with several nice shops around. I'd recommend Green Mountain Field sports, or the one near Dicks up near Burlington in particular. I forget the names exactly.

For back packing etc, hard to beat a 4" S&W 66 or 19. You could carry concealed if you'd like to. A S&W 686 is a little larger than the 66 or 19. YOu can go wrong with a GP100 from Ruger either. Those are all double action revolvers. They are safe to carry with all chambers filled and the hammer down.

A Ruger Blackhawk is a single action that would suit you if you prefer single action and with the transfer bar safety built into the action of the revolver, it also is safe to carry with each of the chambers filled.

Good luck.

-Jim

PS I don't work for either store, just enjoyed shopping there
 
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