Safety on a wheel gun?

[sauer1911]

I was at the local indoor range the other day and saw a new SO at the range.

He had a holstered 6" stainless steel revolver that looked like a .357 or .44.

it looked similar to my model 66

In the holster it was cocked, and the trigger was back in the trigger guard like it was ready to fire. You could have pulled the trigger while it was in the holster. and made a mess of this guys ankle and foot.

Is there such a thing as a revolver with a safety? ? ? ?

I mentioned it to the staff out front and they said he was new and that they would check it out.

be safe.

 

[BobWright]

Nobody in their right mind carries a revolver cocked while holstered.

Bob Wright

 

[showmebob]

Sauer1911 {Is there such a thing as a revolver with a safety? ? ? ?}

The answer to your question is yes, there is such a thing. I have a Tangfolio (sp) SA Buffalo Scout 22lr convertible to 22 mag. that has a safety. It blocks the hammer from hitting the firing pin. I haven't seen any other revolvers that have this feature as a separate user controlled function. Not saying they don't just that I've not seen them.

 

[Sunray]

.32 S&W Webley 'B' Series revolver had manual safeties.
The best safety is between the shooter's ears though. If 'SO' means Safety Officer, that ones needs re-training.

 

[Nom de Forum]

I am fairly certain you observed a significant safety violation.

Their have been several revolvers since the 19th century that have a manual safety lever. None of those are likely to be encountered today at a range. Perhaps the only revolver were it was a necessity to use a manual safety was the Webley-Fosbury single action automatic revolver. IIRC it could not be thumb cocked and if it was to be carried in a holster ready to fire you had to cycle the action to cock the hammer and then apply the safety before holstering. I doubt this was ever commonly done.

 

[1911Tuner]

Take an unloaded Smith Wesson revolver.

Cock it. Tap on the trigger with a medium screwdriver blade until the hammer falls...and watch what happens.

 

[urbaneruralite]

Reminds me of the story of a cop who carried a Charter Bulldog, cocked, in a shoulder rig. His fellow officer, whom told me the story, said the fellow eventually shot himself in the hip.

 

[4v50 Gary]

S&W has several internal safety features. First is the hammer block. Unless the trigger is pressed, it prevents the hammer from going fully forward. Second is the rebound slide. The seat the hammer is prevented from going fully forward if the rebound slide's step stops it. Colt has a hammer block and Rugers have a transfer bar that won't allow the gun to fire unless the trigger is pulled.

That said, the shooter who was observed really needs retraining (if he indeed had any training).

 

[Tallball]

I have a small cheap SA 22 revolver that says "made in Italy" that has a hammer block safety thingie. I wouldn't be surprised if it's related to Bob's. I am assuming it had more to do with import points than it did with actually being safe.

There is an awful lot of irony in a "safety officer" walking around with a cocked revolver.

 

[Jim K]

The problem with a cocked revolver in a holster is that some part of the holster itself could contact and "pull" the trigger and probably have enough tension to keep the trigger back and prevent the hammer block or transfer bar from working. Carrying a revolver, whether DA or SA, cocked in a holster is beyond dumb.

Jim

 

[notaglockfanboy]

The heritage rough rider in .22lr and .22mag has a safety, but if that guy could even try to reason why he carried it cocked and locked, it shows his stupidity. I just hope no one is close to him when he shoots himself.

 

[Swing]

Is there such a thing as a revolver with a safety? ? ? ?

Yes, in addition to the ones mentioned above, the Soviet OTs-38 also has a manual safety. I doubt there are many in the country and most likely none in civilian hands.

 

[gamestalker]

If it were me, I would have point blank approach that individual. I have absolutely no issue with confronting an obvious and certain safety concern, and especially when it concerns my safety as well.

And if no one address's a problem as serious as this one, right then and there, I pack my little range bag and get out of Dodge, and while making sure the other shooters on the line are made aware of the issue.

GS

 

[ArchAngelCD]

IMO there is no reason whatsoever to carry a holstered revolver cocked! I can't understand why he would even think to do that???

 

[MedWheeler]

Back in the day, I had a sergeant (LEO) who was already retired from another agency, and close to retirement from ours. He wore his wheelgun (we all carried six-shooters back then) in some sort of low-riding holster that apparently didn't grip the gun real tightly.

While he and I hanging out in a 7-11 store late one night, a couple guys came in, and one turned to "Sgt. Pappy" and said "Sir, you know you got your hammer cocked back, right?"

Pappy's hammer apparently snagged on the cruiser seat as he exited it, and was cocked. He uncocked it in the store, a scary event in itself, as he had quite the hand-tremor problem.

Maybe something similar was happening here. Still, if someone can approach a LEO and point it out, a range shooter shouldn't be afraid to ask a RSO.

 

[4v50 Gary]

Here's a revolver with a safety. Note the rectangular block behind the hammer. Wish I bought one when I had the chance.

 

[Zerodefect]

Hopefully it was empty.

My J frame has an uber light pull in SA. Lighter than a 1911.

 

[4v50 Gary]

Doesn't those Uberti SA revolvers have a center pin that could be pushed in; thereby preventing the hammer from rotating fully forward? It's nice and subtle.

 

[joem1945]

OP"I pack my little range bag and get out of Dodge, and while making sure the other shooters on the line are made aware of the issue."

Best advice I've seen.

 

[LocoGringo]

I disagree that leaving is the best thing to do because 1) it's likely I've paid to be there and I'm not fond of wasting my money 2) leaving still leaves an unsafe condition for others who might still be there and 3) he needs to learn true safety.

I'd consider walking up and asking him if his revolver has a safety. If he asks why or gets beligerant because he's the "safety officer" someone else gets told. If he answers respectfully, I make him aware his revolver is cocked. If he knows it's cocked, his boss gets told about the unsafe situation.

 

[Panzerschwein]

With the hammer down in a Jordan the cylinder shouldn't rotate on a good fit so it wouldn't be an issue.

But in SA mode that doesn't apply and safety becomes an issue.

 

[rcmodel]

I'd consider walking up and asking him if his revolver has a safety.

Why would you do that??!

No modern DA revolver has a manual safety.

What I would do is walk up and calmly tell the individual not to make any sudden gun checks.
BUT, your revolver is cocked in your holster!!!!

I also agree that any properly fitted revolver holster should not allow the cylinder the turn in order to be accidentally cocked in the holster.

(Unless your cylinder doesn't have flutes to lock it from turning in the holster?)

rc

 

[Gun Master]

Safety on a Revolver (AKA - WheelGun) ?

The Heritage Rough Rider .45 LC / .410 center fire SA revolver, does in fact, have "a safety" !

Apparently, this might have been what the OP observed. Was he / she astute enough to notice if it was a SA, DA, or SA/DA "Wheelie" ? This could be attributed to an understandable state of distress, given the dangerous implications.

But, he/she did say it looked like their "Model 66" and "6'' Stainless", which would indicate a DA/SA S&W. As far as I know, the Heritage is not offered in "Stainless".

 

[Coyote3855]

Many years ago I was carrying a Ruger .357 Blackhawk while we worked cattle on horse back. I looked down to see the hammer at full cock. My rope or some other gear had caught the hammer. I never used that holster again. Got one with a safety strap that held the hammer down.

I would have asked the "SO" politely if he knew. If he was anything but apologetic, then it's time to talk to the range manager.

 

[LocoGringo]

Why would you do that??!

No modern DA revolver has a manual safety.

What I would do is walk up and calmly tell the individual not to make any sudden gun checks.
BUT, your revolver is cocked in your holster!!!!

I also agree that any properly fitted revolver holster should not allow the cylinder the turn in order to be accidentally cocked in the holster.

(Unless your cylinder doesn't have flutes to lock it from turning in the holster?)

rc

I would ask that because I don't want to make any assumptions and end up looking like an ass. Asking the question also sets a better, more cooperative mood.