Revolvers still have their place?

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Posted by 460Kodiak: If I need more than 5 shots, I made a bad choice about where I am and a situation I've put myself in.
So thought I, for a long time.

Then it dawned on me that, should the unthinkable happen, there is no reason to expect the encounter to unfold any differently if it happens in a parking lot in a nice neighborhood or in a parking lot next to an Interstate in meth country or near a major city. It's just a matter of likelihood. The tactical Requirements are the same.

How many rounds would you want to be able to fire very quickly at an attacker charging fast around the end of your vehicle with an edged weapon without warning? How many would you want left over? Five doesn't cut it for me.

Colt used to advertise that "all important sixth shot." That would help a little, but if one does want to carry a J-frame, two would be much better than one.
 
Concealed carry?

All the time gun:
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Smith & Wesson Model 37

Primary concealed carry gun:
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Smith & Wesson Model 13-3 (I recently went retro and put magnas and a Tyler T-Grip on it. No photos yet.)

I don't own any semiautomatic pistols any more.

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How many rounds would you want to be able to fire very quickly at an attacker charging fast around the end of your vehicle with an edged weapon without warning? How many would you want left over? Five doesn't cut it for me.

It took two, and I still got cut some before I could complete the draw and fire. Carry gun was the Model 13-3 above. Ammunition was Remington 158 grain .357 Magnum SJHP. (30+ years ago.) Had four rounds left in the gun. That's when I started carrying two guns.

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Posted by Elm Creek Smith: It took two [to stop an assailant], and I still got cut some before I could complete the draw and fire.
Depending upon the distance, rate of closure, availability of obstacles or cover, and my speed, I would probably fire more than two. Maybe four? Depends.

Of course, with the number of variables, what it took in one incident is no indication of what the next one might require.

That's when I started carrying two guns.
There may be those who consider that extreme. Having considered the issue in some depth, I consider it a reasonable approach to risk mitigation.
 
revolvers have the simplicity of either being loaded and ready to go, or not.

there is no in between like with a semi-auto. this makes them best for novice shooters.
 
I thought revolvers were not anything I wanted anymore - until I got rid of mine. Now I want them so badly.
 
I was not a revolver fan until I tried to teach my wife to run my autos. 1911, xd40, P38, LCP..... No dice.

We turned to wheelguns and she took right to them. Point, pull, repeat.

The turnaround in her makes em perfect as far as I'm concerned.


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Here is my take on CCW (combat is a whole other story.)

Autos: people are always talking about FTF, FTE, break in, round count, limp wrist, reliable magazines, saftey etc.

Revolvers: load it, store it, pick it up, shoot it.
 
I was at McDonalds in Decatur Texas a few weeks ago and spotted either a prison guard or security guard of some sort walking out and I noticed his side arm was a GP100. I thought that was pretty cool.
 
What I like about revolvers is you can find a gun you can carry and it's a joy to shoot magnum loads. I had a glock 31 chamber in 357 sig. It's not much fun to shoot a 357 through a 20oz gun. Muzzle whip is an issue for the glock. It was reliable and I never had a functioning problem. I simply prefer a little weight in a pistol chambered for magnum loads.
 
Lawdawg45,

I started witha 28-2. Removed the barrel and sent it to Dick Nickles (now deceased) for a rebore and rifling job. When it got back I reinstalled it and proceeded to install a cylinder and frame lug for a 25-2. I also rounded the grip straps and essentially got what became the Mountain Revolver, except I had it a decade or so before S&W marketed them. I had wanted a skinny barreled 45 ACP and the ones available at that time were rather pricey. So I built what I wanted and have never regretted it. Now, there are several similar revolvers available and the kind of build I did is not necessary. Too bad, it was a lot of fun! I carry it in a Bianchi 5BH or a Pancake style holster.

Awesome! Pictures?;)

LD
 
I own and alternate carry with either. My 9mm, a Kel Tec, is a DAO and fires with a long DA pull like my revolvers. I just think of it as a little square revolver. :D

I'm a revolver guy all the way for outdoor uses. For carry, the little 9 has a lot of advantages in concealment, but it DOES print square through a pocket and the revolver just looks like a lump of something, can't tell what. Much ado about the revolver being "thicker". The revolver is only thicker through the cylinder, not the whole gun.

What I like about revolvers is you can find a gun you can carry and it's a joy to shoot magnum loads. I had a glock 31 chamber in 357 sig. It's not much fun to shoot a 357 through a 20oz gun. Muzzle whip is an issue for the glock. It was reliable and I never had a functioning problem. I simply prefer a little weight in a pistol chambered for magnum loads.

.357 magnum is my favorite caliber, though I own and handload others I like a lot. .357 Sig is NO .357 magnum, a poor pretender with light bullets at best. I think of it more as a 9x19 +P+. It can't chunk a 180 grain bullet at 1400 fps, my 6.5" Blackhawk can. Even my 2.3" SP101 could push it over 1300 fps. The .357 Sig can almost match a 125 grain .357 from a 3" barrel. I shoot a 140 for carry and get 600 fl lbs from it even out of a 3" barrel.
 
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I have as much experience with type of weapon. But I started out (having a technical background) in favour of Automatics, but switched to S&W .357 eventually. I am not interested in sport shooting at all. I know the following facts from practical experiences and comparisons.

a)No matter what, for the first shot a DA revolver is faster than a pistol.

b) A revolver is safer under hazardous conditions. When engaged in certain activites I loaded only 4 rounds in the 6 shooter. I would of course keep the chamber of pistol also empty under such conditions.

c)a model 19 with the right holster makes the cylinder actually fit above the hip bone.

d) in a fray (not every situation justifies shooting), being kicked, shoved etc, a DA revolver will go off only when I pull the trigger.

e) in one case somebody holding me from behind, while his buddy tried to bash my skul with a rock, I HAD TO POINT MY OWN GUN AT MYSELF TO GET PAST ME TO SHOOT THE GUY HOLDING ME. I would never ever do this with a pistol that has fired one shot and is cocked. Would you?

f)I can fire the widest range of ammo, including bullets treated with arrow poison, explosive ammo of own manyfacture and snake shot. (we have very nasties here much worse than rattlers you have) Explosive ammo will probably go off on feeding in an automatic.

g)the practical effectiveness, wounding penetration of the .357 Mag. is only now matched by the 357 SIG

h)Now I am going to put in the foot. The more ammo a pistol holds, the worse people seem to shoot under stress (probably copying Steven Segal or the likes) !00 or more years ago, people actually aimed their weapons, now adays they point north or wherever and pull the triger.

I) In practical pistol competition which is about as practal as a fomula 1 car is for a fishing trip, it is proven that a pistol has superior firepower, only because the rules have been written to prove this. Introducing one rule, which is in no way more unrealistic as changing a magazine after two rounds fired (AND DROPPING MAG ON THE GROUND WHICH BETTER NEVER DO) would prove conclusively that a revolver has a higher firepower then a pistol. And this is the rule!! A shooter with a pistol can have as many magazines as he wishes, but he must finish with all magazines loaded as he started.
Anybody who can handle a pistol and a revolver equally well can make the following simple comparison. Pistol empty revolver empty, Mags empty. load six rounds in pistol and fire,load six rounds and fire with DA revolver. You can try this with 50 rounds or with 200 rounds and the rvolver will fire a number of rounds faster.
Furthermore, when a pistol shooter has to hold a pistol one hand, loads a magazine with two hands, he must be born with three hands or holster the pistol.
Reloading a revolver with one or two rounds one does not put one self out of action for longer than it take to close the cylinder.

j) revolver ammo carried in the right brest pocket of your shirt and moving a bit, the cartridges turn head down and the cartridges are gripped on the base, and after retreaving ammo for a few thousand times, the time will come and you surprise yourself that you get exactly 6 cartridges out of your pocket every time to fill your cylnder.

k) there are training methods specially developed for DA revolver shooting, living in a free world we allow pistols on the firing line, but pistol shooters get confused , frustrated and have little befit of this training.

Now for the downside of the revolver. Not all revolvers are good. I had a 38 Spec Colt Diamond Back, very nice to look at, but within a few 100 rounds of fast DA shooting at about 5 rds per second, I just manged to sell it in time before it got damaged noticeable for a layman. Than I tried a .357 Colt Python and finished it badly in less than 2000 rounds fast DA shooting. Most revolver grips including S&W are thickest where the fingers are the shortest, if it makes sense to you, it never made sense to me.
The new trend to make the barrel heavier to look sexy like a Python barrel slows the gun down twice, first when you draw it gets going slower, then when you have it up you have to slow it down earlier not to over-swing/over-shoot the target.
I carry an automatic always with tracers mixed with FMJ, not so fond of JHP anymore for good reasons.

BTW, if you ever go for a revolver, use the Lyman 133gr SWC for best accuracy, a 125gr JHP for best performance (not mentioneing explosive bullets), but if you look for a likely failure producing only terrible surface wounds on a fat guy use a 88gr JHP bullet with a vel of about 550m/s. No dont do this.

Regards

WAH
 
A revolver is safer under hazardous conditions. When engaged in certain activites I loaded only 4 rounds in the 6 shooter.

Please explain the conditions and activites mentioned above.

Thank you.
 
I was at McDonalds in Decatur Texas a few weeks ago and spotted either a prison guard or security guard of some sort walking out and I noticed his side arm was a GP100. I thought that was pretty cool.

I run across some armored truck guards on occasion at some of the local burger places while we're all in there for a bite at the same time. The older one is packing what looks to be a S&W revolver.

Taking the thread from the POV of a slightly more experienced carrier, I'd overlooked the advantages for novices in a revolver until someone else here brought it up. Simplicity of operation + ease of maintenance = good things for any CCWer, especially newbies.
 
I almost always still carry semiautos just for the thin factor. My semi (PM45) may as well be a revolver since it only holds 5 in the mag. and I don't carry reloads. Every now and again I'll sub a Detective Special or Model 12 without any second thoughts. I don't really worry about printing, the flat sides of the semiauto just feel a little better to me.
 
f)I can fire the widest range of ammo, including bullets treated with arrow poison, explosive ammo of own manyfacture and snake shot. (we have very nasties here much worse than rattlers you have) Explosive ammo will probably go off on feeding in an automatic.

Wow, THAT would get ya life in the states. ROFLMAO!

I can tell ya, if you can get your hands on some Potassium Cyanide for the hollow point, even a .22LR is instant death, or near so, even with a shot in the butt. I am not going to tell how I know this, but it's true. :D
 
My carry gun is a 686+ w/ 3" barrel.

I have no heartburn with semi-automatics, and have had as many failures with revolvers (a too tight cylinder gap, a loose strain screw and reloaded ammo with a primer too far out) as I have the semis - although I rarely shoot semiautos, so it isn't entirely fair. Still, when you pull the trigger 7 times on a 686+ and get 3 shots downrange, it is a bit disconcerting. The strain screw is now tight and a part of my regular check when cleaning...

However, since I enjoy revolvers, I shoot them. And my carry gun ought to be one that feels good in my hand and that I don't need to think about - so revolver it is. Mostly my 686, which is about as big as I can conceal OK. In winter, I might switch to my Blackhawk. It will conceal under a loose jacket, feels very instinctive to me when shooting, and can do duty as a hammer if I run out of ammo...:D
 
Here is another vote for DS, and in less forgiving weather, 642. I like 6 better than 5. I like my 1911 fine, but find it hard to conceal in the heat of most months in the Deep South.
 
Hi riding off-road bikes in the desert and the chance of falling off a motor cycle, flying in a chopper, belly landing a fixed wing any chance of being in a fray are some of the activities I only carry 4 cartridges.

Not sure of cyanide in the blood stream, cant argue this, but I do know that some poison are deadly only when ingested, others only when entering the bloodstream. KCL as used to put animals to sleep can be ingested without ill effects.

Bushmen arrow poison comes in three types. Two in effect sililar to curare, but third is never used for hunting, it WILL CAUSE GANGREEN and administered on a body (not a limb that can be amputeted) causes death within a few days. Little known even here, but I know this from the Mortuary.

And why would the make, possession of or use of explosive ammo get me "life" in the states? I do not understand. Making explosive bullets is not the same as manufacturing explosives. :)) Explosive bullets simply sort out the expansion issue. Ok, they also take a chunk out of a plasted brickwall. But lets not stray too far from the topic.

Regards

WAH
 
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