Richmond Va police officer guilty in shooting

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In the second trial in this case,the first one ended in a hung jury, a police officer wqas found guilty of manslaughter. This officer used deadly force when, during a traffic stop, the suspect pulled him into his car and tried to drive off. A Virginia state trooper was recently killed in excatly the same way so it would seem that the officer had every right to defend his life. I really wonder what chance any of us would have in court if we as private citizens had to defend our loved ones or ourselves? It makes me angry.
 
A University of Mississippi police officer, an Afghanistan veteran, with four kids, was dragged to death last weekend by a drunken frat boy in exactly the same way.

As I heard it, the kid wouldn't get out of the car, and when he started it up, the officer tried to grab the keys out of the ignition. The kid slams on the gas and drags the officer 200 yards, until he manages to push him out of the car. The officer was killed when he hit the ground at high speed.

So, yeah, it makes me angry too.
 
the suspect pulled him into his car and tried to drive off
Would any reasonable person NOT think that this was "an imminent threat of grave bodily harm and/or death"????

Is it not at the very least attempted kidnapping? A Forceable Felony? Against an LEO?

Is there more to this story? There must be, because a conviction on this makes absolutley no sense at all.

:confused: :confused: :confused:
 
Firmly on the cops side on this one.

Periodically this happens, an officer being hurt or killed by a traffic stop turned vehicular assault. What are cops supposed to do, begin using dirty looks and stern words?

Is there an appeal in the works?
 
I am going to reserve judgment on this one. Cops get an awful lot of leeway from the criminal justice system when it comes to use of force, some might argue too much. I have a hard time believing this case is quite as simple as the OP is trying to present it.
 
The officer was not pulled into the car. He admitted that he lost his balance and fell into the car while trying to undo the driver's seatbelt. He then apparently panicked, drew his weaon, and fired. There was no indication that the driver was attempting to harm him. IMHO, it was a pooly executed traffic stop and I suspect the jury may have gotten it right.
 
The officer was not pulled into the car. He admitted that he lost his balance and fell into the car while trying to undo the driver's seatbelt. He then apparently panicked, drew his weaon, and fired. There was no indication that the driver was attempting to harm him. IMHO, it was a pooly executed traffic stop and I suspect the jury may have gotten it right.

If you would post a source for this, I believe it would go a long way towards reminding people that knee jerk reactions based on minimal information are typically ill-advised.
 
Do you have a link for this? I looked on the Times Dispatch site but did not see it.



Officer found guilty of manslaughter
Richmond Times-Dispatch
Friday, October 20, 2006

The Richmond jury that convicted former police officer Michael Couture of voluntary manslaughter in the May 29, 2004, fatal shooting of Santanna Olavarria recommended Couture be punished for the crime with a $2,500 fine -- and no jail time.

The recommendation shocked and angered the Olavarria family. The victim's mother, Annette Olavarria, called the punishment "a joke."

The jury convicted Couture of voluntary manslaughter this afternoon in the fatal shooting of Olavarria in the city's East End.

Couture, 33, held his head in his hands at the defense table as the verdict was read, with his family and former partner Edward Aeschlimann looking on.

The seven women and five men on the jury apparently agreed with Richmond's Commonwealth's Attorney Michael N. Herring, who said Couture acted criminally when he fired what Herring called "a blind shot" that killed the 21-year-old South Richmond resident after what was described as a routine traffic stop.

The sentencing phase of the trial is now underway. Couture faces up to 10 years in prison.

Olavarria's mother, Annette, has taken the stand.

"When you killed my son," she said, looking at Couture, "You killed a part of every single person in my household."

At trial earlier this week, Couture testified yesterday that Olavarria was raising his hands and saying "don't" at the moment Couture fired the fatal shot while he was sprawled across the front seat of Olavarria's moving car. Herring argued that Couture had either pulled the trigger before he saw Olavarria's raised hands, or that he fired despite seeing them.

"Either way, he shot an unarmed man before he looked at him," Herring said.

The jury had to decide whether Couture acted properly in self-defense or was guilty of manslaughter.

Couture was tried in November on a charge of second-degree murder. The trial ended in a mistrial because the jury deadlocked.

Herring, who took office in January, decided to present a case for a lesser charge and also dropped a murder charge against Aeschlimann. Aeschlimann, 28, remains on the Richmond police force and testified on behalf of his former 1st Precinct partner.

Much of the trial's first two days focused on whether Couture's actions leading to the shooting were appropriate. The officers had stopped Olavarria on Fairfield Way, near Mechanicsville Turnpike, for running a stop sign in the Mosby Court area.

The officers said they saw Olavarria make movements that caused them to think he was hiding something beneath the seat. As Couture approached the partly open driver's door, Aeschlimann saw the handle of a handgun protruding from beneath the driver's seat and told his partner to get Olavarria out of the car.

Couture said he grabbed Olavarria by the arm and applied a hold designed to get him out of the car. Olavarria did not resist but was still wearing his seat belt. As Couture reached across Olavarria to undo the belt, he said Olavarria grabbed his shirt and tried to push him away. The car began to move, though testimony varied widely on how fast.

Couture disputed characterizations of previous testimony that he jumped into a moving car. He said yesterday that he ran beside the car as he struggled with Olavarria. He said he lost his balance, fell partly into the car and pulled himself the rest of the way inside with his face toward the passenger floorboard.

That's when he drew his gun, rolled over and fired one shot into Olavarria's chest.
 
We had a cop-guilty-of-manslaughter-during-traffic-stop here about 10 years ago:

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data2/marylandstatecases/coa/2000/99a99.pdf

Facts of the case are on pages 3 – 7. In short, the officer claimed his Glock 17 went off accidentally as the suspects tried to drive away and he reached in the window to grab the driver. The jury agreed with the prosecutor’s case that the officer showed ‘wanton or reckless disregard for human life’ by failing to follow police department procedures in conducting the traffic stop (not calling for back-up to block the suspects’ car when they refused to shut the engine off, drawing his firearm without telling his partner and closing on the suspects, reaching in the car window, etc.) and found the officer guilty of manslaughter. Conviction was overturned when the appeals court found the State failed to present legally sufficient evidence in the original trail.

On the plus side, the officer accidentally shot an actual criminal and not some innocent person.
 
The Richmond jury that convicted former police officer Michael Couture of voluntary manslaughter in the May 29, 2004, fatal shooting of Santanna Olavarria recommended Couture be punished for the crime with a $2,500 fine -- and no jail time.

The recommendation shocked and angered the Olavarria family. The victim's mother, Annette Olavarria, called the punishment "a joke."

I agree. The punishment was a joke. It was probably the result of a split in the jury with some refusing to convict him unless the punishment was slight.
 
LEOs in the same incidents

I can think of at least 3 cases of sworn LEOs in my area that used lethal force when involved in the same type of incidents. One uniformed patrol officer(also the PD's Officer of the month) was pulled several blocks by a driver at a high rate of speed. Another was fighting with a suspect who drove off and then the LEO shot at the driver as he fled.

No criminal or civil charges were brought against these LEOs that I know of :D but I did here a local LE offical say in a media interview that in today's world whenever a LEO uses deadly force for any reason the LEO and/or the LE agency will face a lawsuit. :banghead:

RS
 
Um .... whether or not the shooting was justified, something like this is why I don't want to get into a grappling match with anyone (especially while armed, which I am most of the time) - just too many things can go wrong. :uhoh:

I'm not a cop, nor do I wanna be one, but trying to physically drag somebody out of a car seems like asking for trouble. I would've have thought than in a situation like this, guns would have been drawn (maybe even the shotgun) and the driver would be ordered to out of the car slowly and carefully while the officers kept some distance.

Is there an LEO SOP on this sort of thing...?
 
No criminal or civil charges were brought against these LEOs that I know of but I did here a local LE offical say in a media interview that in today's world whenever a LEO uses deadly force for any reason the LEO and/or the LE agency will face a lawsuit.

And what is wrong with that?

Killing someone is not to be done lightly. It ought to be throughly investigated and open court is the best place for that investigation to play out.
 
I think the key issue here is whether or not this is actually a dragging situation. The cop, by his own admission, loses his balance and falls on the decedent. Did the decedent try to drive away or did the cop knock his foot off the brake? Was the cop being dragged or was he afraid he was going to be dragged?

As it stands, the cop looks to have fallen into the car and shot the decedent before a dragging situation actually developed.
 
A University of Mississippi police officer, an Afghanistan veteran, with four kids, was dragged to death last weekend by a drunken frat boy in exactly the same way.

As I heard it, the kid wouldn't get out of the car, and when he started it up, the officer tried to grab the keys out of the ignition. The kid slams on the gas and drags the officer 200 yards, until he manages to push him out of the car. The officer was killed when he hit the ground at high speed.
He was actually run over by the rear wheel of the car. I work with an agent who went to high school with the cop who was killed. :(
 
The four shots by the other officer would have killed the man too. JT
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"The murder charge had been prosecuted by Herring's predecessor, David M. Hicks.

The new case will be tried before Judge Walter W. "Pete" Stout III, the same judge who presided over the first trial.

Herring, who took office in January, dropped a second-degree murder charge against Edward Aeschlimann, who still works for the Richmond Police Department in its 2nd Precinct. Couture resigned in July 2005 under threat of termination for alleged discrepancies in his application to become a Richmond officer.

The officers were together on May 29, 2004, when they stopped Olavarria, 21, on an alleged traffic violation at an intersection in the East End. At his murder trial, Couture testified that he fired at Olavarria after jumping into Olavarria's moving car. Couture testified that as he fired, Olavarria raised his hands and said, "Don't." The shot to Olavarria's chest wounded him fatally.

Aeschlimann testified that he heard the shot and fired four times. Three shots struck Olavarria, one of them a shot to the back of his head. That shot also would have been fatal.


Contact staff writer Michael Martz at [email protected] or (804) 649-6964."
 
HEADLINE BANNERS

The wording of the original post is similar to what we receive every day from our "produced" NEWS.

Is there a replacement for old Paul Harvey?
 
buzz_knox isn't the sentence a seperate court proceeding? I though the jury decided if he's guilt or not guilty, and then AFTER that the sentece is decided?

Does anyone know how the punishment of a $2500 fine was arrived at? It seems rather insulting, from a bystander's point of view.
 
Ok so you crawl into the car turn yourself around and fire a single aimed shot. To me thats really sketchy....but I'll stay away from this.


The car couldnt be moving very fast if his partner was able to wait until the shot, then fire four aimed shots. 15MPH is 7yrds per second. If the partner was standing at the back bumper hed have 3-4 Seconds to make a typical 25 yard shot.


I dont know, with the OP I was feeling that this was a good shoot, with the second post I'm thinking it's murder....need more info before I could hand a judgement down. Darn you and your propaganda.
 
Sentencing is usually carried out by the judge but some jurisdictions may allow the jury to suggest a sentence for the judge to adopt.

As for how it was arrived at, I still think it's a compromise verdict. Either there were jurors who refused to go along with a conviction if a real punishment were imposed but were willing to convict to avoid deadlock if the punishment was nominal, or the jury thought he did wrong but not that wrong.
 
Some people here might read the posted news article before posting. From the news article:

The Richmond jury that convicted former police officer Michael Couture of voluntary manslaughter in the May 29, 2004, fatal shooting of Santanna Olavarria recommended Couture be punished for the crime with a $2,500 fine -- and no jail time.

The sentencing phase of the trial is now underway. Couture faces up to 10 years in prison.
(emphasis mine)

According to the article, the (ex?) officer's sentence is still to be determined.
 
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