Rifle Capacity

[andrewdl007]

I posted in another thread that I am looking for some type of bolt rifle. I was surprised to see that the new Rem 700s only hold 3 or 4 rounds. I have always owned semi autos and have had 20 and 30 round magazines and 4 rounds just really seems useless. Any way, what is the capacity of other bolts or lever actions, really anything without a detachable mag?

 

[taliv]

you can add an aftermarket box mag to them.

 

[rangerruck]

tube fed levers that fire handgun rounds , will typically hold 10 rounds, maybe more.you should be able to get aftermarket mags for remmys, that hold 10 rounds. Some box mags on some rifles will hold 5 rounds. or you can get a old steyer inbloc clip that holds 10 rounds I think, and of course an old Lee Enfield uses the 10 round mags.

 

[Malamute]

Useless for what purpose?


Cooper made a good comment regarding magazine capacity, to the effect that high capacity is great,...if you miss a lot.

 

[jimmyraythomason]

"Cooper made a good comment regarding magazine capacity, to the effect that high capacity is great,...if you miss a lot." The GURU did have a way with words didn't he?

 

[mnw42]

A saw a post, someplace, about a guy who modified M1A/M14 mags to work in a Ruger MkII.

A more capacity bolt gun would be the SMLE with a 10 rounds.

Most bolt guns are sold for people who will never use them in a situation that will require 20 rounds on tap. In PA you are not allowed to have more than five rounds in your rifle when hunting deer. Really any more would be silly. If you miss with the first shot, you may have a chance at a second, but after that you may never see that deer again.

 

[Hoppy590]

to the effect that high capacity is great,...if you miss a lot.

or are presented with mutliple targets.

i know there are mods out there to conver many bolt guns to M14 or FAL type mags. though your kind of limited to .308 i believe

 

[GreenMtnTac]

10 and 20 round detachable box mags are not uncommon for higher-end bolt rifles. See, for example, any of the AI rifles, or custom bolt guns built to use AICS mags. My own custom 700 built on an AI 1.5 chassis uses the AICS mags, and I use 5 and 10 round mags with it.

I can't imagine needing more than 10 rounds at a time, unless maybe you're filming a B Western Indian chase scene.

 

[Outlaws]

Get a CZ with detachable 5 rounds magazines and buy extra mags. That is the only feasible choice unless you are made of money and can afford the custom tactical setups.

But really, the thing about bolt actions (and even more-so with single shots) is most people find they take more care with each shot, thus each shot becomes much more rewarding.

 

[jerkface11]

Search this site for posts by krochus involving a ruger model 77 and an M14 magazine. It's a simple mod that will get you a 10 or 20 shot short action rifle.

 

[JohnKSa]

Well, this may not sound as logical to some as it does to me but here goes anyway...

If you feel that your application will require more shots in a hurry than are available in a typical bolt rifle then I would say that your application calls for a semi-auto.

 

[Vaarok]

Mauser 98s all take the same trench mag, and you can get 'em for the 1903.

But really, if you need more than ten shots with a bolt-rifle, you should've brought your semi-auto.

 

[andrewdl007]

I was just wondering. In military rifles I dont think you would be wanting to have to reload every 4 shots. For instance did the Sniper Rem. 700's in Vietnam only hold 4 shots?

 

[Hoppy590]

did the Sniper Rem. 700's in Vietnam only hold 4 shots?

my understand is the first round of sniper rifles were off the shelf with off the shefl optics. the second round were M21's

 

[RevolvingCylinder]

I really don't think a bolt action rifle is for you. Someone who's only priority is magazine capacity wouldn't understand what they're about.

 

[andrewdl007]

Im not saying that I would want a bolt action with a twenty round detachable magazine because in that case I would rather have my ranch rifle. I was just saying that for me, 4 rounds just seems low. This then got me thinking about military bolt actions. in the case of military arms I would think that more rounds in the rifle at a time was better.

 

[esq_stu]

Enfields - 10+ round detachable mags

 

[Outlaws]

Im not saying that I would want a bolt action with a twenty round detachable magazine because in that case I would rather have my ranch rifle. I was just saying that for me, 4 rounds just seems low. This then got me thinking about military bolt actions. in the case of military arms I would think that more rounds in the rifle at a time was better.

Well, 4 rounds wasn't low when military arms were bolt actions. Remember, most military arms were single shot before the bolt action came to be. So up until the early part of the 20th century 4-5 rounds nice. Bolt actions were used into WW2, but after that the bolt action was never a standard issue (maybe some small countries, but not by any respectable military force). By Vietnam the bolt actions were not primary weapons systems, it was the M14 and later the M16. Those who carry bolt action rifles in battles after WW2 were not really supposed to be engaged in firefights, they are supposed to be the only ones firing at a known target.

So just as more rounds in a military rifle is better, so is an autoloader over a bolt action. The nature progression for standard issue rifles (autoloaders like the Garand) left the bolt action by the wayside before large capacity detachable magazines became the norm...which found themselves on the next round of weaponry - The M14, FAL, AK, etc.

 

[MCgunner]

For me, rifle shooting is about accuracy, not fire power, at least in the civilian world. I have NO use for a 30 round magazine, none what so ever, just adds weight to haul around in the woods and gets in the way when you're trying to get on running game or shooting prone. You want to "spray bullets" as the antis say, stick to autos. Nothing wrong with the AR platform other than .223 is pretty useless for hunting anything bigger than jack rabbits. There's the AR10 and plenty of other .308 platforms, though.

If you really want a bolt gun with a bigger magazine, the Enfield holds 10 and feeds with stripper clips. Even the 98 mauser is a 5 round capacity mag.

 

[siglite]

Is anyone aware of box mag mods for savage FP10s? Detachable mags on bolt-guns aren't JUST about capacity and being able to put one through the eye of each of 20 zombies. But it allows for quick load selection/change as well.

This is (in my humble opinion) the most annoying thing about most bolt-gun designs. I really like detachable mags.

 

[Ash]

"Remember, most military arms were single shot before the bolt action came to be."

Well, that may be true, but when the bolt-action came to be in 1829 (Dreyse), virtually all other military arms were muzzle-loaders which, I am sure you recognize, makes it by necessity a single-shot save for revolver-based actions where the entire action revolved, or multiple-barrels.

Of course, I'm sure you recognize that the repeaters in the Civil War held more than 4 rounds as a general rule, and the same can be said for most early repeaters. When power increased, magazine capacity dropped. But saying that when bolt-action rifles came out, most rifles were single shots is a bit short of the mark and quite an understatement. When bolt-action rifles came out, there were very few breach-loaders in existence (though breach loading had been about a while already). As the vast majority of arms in 1829 were still muzzle-loading, it is kind of stating the obvious that they were single shots.

Ash

 

[Outlaws]

Well, that may be true, but when the bolt-action came to be in 1829 (Dreyse), virtually all other military arms were muzzle-loaders which, I am sure you recognize, makes it by necessity a single-shot save for revolver-based actions where the entire action revolved, or multiple-barrels.

Of course, I'm sure you recognize that the repeaters in the Civil War held more than 4 rounds as a general rule, and the same can be said for most early repeaters. When power increased, magazine capacity dropped. But saying that when bolt-action rifles came out, most rifles were single shots is a bit short of the mark and quite an understatement. When bolt-action rifles came out, there were very few breach-loaders in existence (though breach loading had been about a while already). As the vast majority of arms in 1829 were still muzzle-loading, it is kind of stating the obvious that they were single shots.

Like I said, most military arms of the time were single shot. Plain and simple.
(and when the bolt action saw wide spread adoption as a military rifle, most military rifles were single shot cartridges, not muzzle loaders)

You should spend that much time researching modern bolt actions like the 700.

 

[Oohrah]

Sniper rifles early in Nam were mainly Win. Model 70s and a few
A4 03 both with limited amount by your standards, mazazines