rifle carry in vehicle?

[dubya450]

Hey all I have a question. My friends dad told me its perfectly legal to carry a loaded rifle, uncased, in your vehicle in Minnesota as long as you have a concealed carry permit. It didn't sound right to me but i may be wrong. Is this true? I did a Google search but didn't come up with anything.

 

[chiappa1911]

I dont know what the laws are there but in michigan any where in your vehicle is considered concealed carry.

 

[rcmodel]

I don't know what the laws are either.

But carrying a fully loaded rifle anywhere in a car violates most all the rules of gun safety anywhere.

A loaded magazine and an empty chamber is one thing.
Load it when you need it.

But "loaded" gives me the shudders just thinking about it in the event of an accident on the road, or careless hands or Big Mac bags brushing the safety off and the trigger on.

rc

 

[travisd]

From what I know handguns can be carried any way you want if you have a permit but for rifles they have to be in a case, or if uncased they have to be locked in the trunk. Unloaded either way. I don't actually live in Minnesota so I'm not 100% on that though.

 

[dogmush]

Subdivision 1.Restrictions. A person may not transport a firearm in a motor vehicle unless the firearm is:
(1) unloaded and in a gun case expressly made to contain a firearm, and the case fully encloses the firearm by being zipped, snapped, buckled, tied, or otherwise fastened, and without any portion of the firearm exposed;

(2) unloaded and in the closed trunk of a motor vehicle; or

(3) a handgun carried in compliance with sections 624.714 and 624.715.

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/?id=97B.045

Then there's some exceptions for disabled persons and driving while on a rifle range. But pretty much: nope, gotta be unloaded and cased, unless it's a handgun and you have a permit.

 

[Warp]

I don't know what the law is in MN, but there are other states that allow loaded long guns in the car without any license being required. Allowing it with a carry license would not surprise me one bit.

Generally it is advised to shut it in a case, for various reasons.

 

[wrs840]

But carrying a fully loaded rifle anywhere in a car violates most all the rules of gun safety anywhere.

I agree with that. My crewcab daily-driver has a Du-Ha** under the rear seat, with a shotgun, a 30-30 lever, and a Mini-14 in it, unchambered, but with mags filled. They're farm tools. It doesn't "lock" but it's out of "lunge-reach" so I've been told by LEO buddies that it's perfectly legal in NC. I've been through license-checks with it with no questions asked. I even went through one with the Mini-14 in the front seat, and while the officer commented on it, he didn't seem the least bit alarmed. This is an agricultural area, though, and I guess I fit the profile of a benign local non-trouble-maker, so I'm fairly certain that figures into it. There are places (like Charlotte) where my wife and I chuckle and deliberately go in her Suburban, so I don't have to unpack.

** http://www.du-ha.com/chevy_crew_cab_07.html

 

[dubya450]

Yeah I figured it wasn't legal but he seemed pretty sure of himself. I personally have no reason to carry a rifle I was just curious. If i did want a rifle-like gun/caliber I'd just keep an AR style pistol in my center console. That is of course if ill ever be able to find one of them kel tec plr-16 pistols. Been looking for awhile with no luck.

 

[rcmodel]

Well that would be a bigger mistake in a car then the loaded rifle in the car!

Have you ever shot an AR-15 pistol?

Severe muzzle flash & Horrendous blast makes it a spray & pray proposition at best after the first shot!

It might be a halfway good "Drive-By" choice at best.
But only if you didn't care who or what you hit that you couldn't see.

rc

 

[BU1]

No such thing as a concealed carry permit in MN.

 

[Warp]

True, MN issues a permit to carry a handgun.

People VERY frequently refer to all carry licenses using some name or phrase that involves the word "concealed" when that isn't what their state actually issues.

 

[BemidjiDweller]

In MN (law cited above), to transport a longarm in a vehicle, the longarm has to be cased and unloaded. It can be anywhere in the vehicle however.

You CAN carry a loaded longarm in public with a PTC, https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/?id=624.7181&year=2011 The bold below is added by me.

624.7181 RIFLES AND SHOTGUNS IN PUBLIC PLACES.

Subdivision 1.Definitions. For purposes of this section, the following terms have the meanings given them.
(a) "BB gun" means a device that fires or ejects a shot measuring .18 of an inch or less in diameter.

(b) "Carry" does not include:

(1) the carrying of a BB gun, rifle, or shotgun to, from, or at a place where firearms are repaired, bought, sold, traded, or displayed, or where hunting, target shooting, or other lawful activity involving firearms occurs, or at funerals, parades, or other lawful ceremonies;

(2) the carrying by a person of a BB gun, rifle, or shotgun that is unloaded and in a gun case expressly made to contain a firearm, if the case fully encloses the firearm by being zipped, snapped, buckled, tied, or otherwise fastened, and no portion of the firearm is exposed;

(3) the carrying of a BB gun, rifle, or shotgun by a person who has a permit under section 624.714; "The PTC statute"

(4) the carrying of an antique firearm as a curiosity or for its historical significance or value; or

(5) the transporting of a BB gun, rifle, or shotgun in compliance with section 97B.045.

(c) "Public place" means property owned, leased, or controlled by a governmental unit and private property that is regularly and frequently open to or made available for use by the public in sufficient numbers to give clear notice of the property's current dedication to public use but does not include: a person's dwelling house or premises, the place of business owned or managed by the person, or land possessed by the person; a gun show, gun shop, or hunting or target shooting facility; or the woods, fields, or waters of this state where the person is present lawfully for the purpose of hunting or target shooting or other lawful activity involving firearms.

Subd. 2.Penalties. Whoever carries a BB gun, rifle, or shotgun on or about the person in a public place is guilty of a gross misdemeanor. A person under the age of 21 who carries a semiautomatic military-style assault weapon, as defined in section 624.712, subdivision 7, on or about the person in a public place is guilty of a felony.
Subd. 3.Exceptions. This section does not apply to officers, employees, or agents of law enforcement agencies or the armed forces of this state or the United States, or private detectives or protective agents, to the extent that these persons are authorized by law to carry firearms and are acting in the scope of their official duties.

I wouldn't though, not a lot of police officers know of that law. There hasn't been any test cases yet to my knowledge.

 

[mljdeckard]

Even here where I know it's legal, and I do so whenever I can, I keep it clear until I pull it out. If there arises a situation where you actually need it, and you have time to get it, you will have time to load it.....or you wouldn't have time to get it at all.

 

[MedWheeler]

I don't know what the law is in MN, but there are other states that allow loaded long guns in the car without any license being required.

Florida would be one such state. I guess there are no pickup trucks with gun racks in 'em in Minnesota.

 

[Salmoneye]

But carrying a fully loaded rifle anywhere in a car violates most all the rules of gun safety anywhere.

A loaded magazine and an empty chamber is one thing.
Load it when you need it.

But "loaded" gives me the shudders just thinking about it in the event of an accident on the road, or careless hands or Big Mac bags brushing the safety off and the trigger on.

Do you also feel this way about hand guns being loaded?

 

[Mamertine]

I don't think the law allows for that. In fact after reading the law again, I noticed it seems to deal with carrying pistols only not just handguns. Sorry Revolver guys.

 

[Grumulkin]

For what it's worth, in OH and PA, a concealed carry permit allows one to have a loaded handgun in a vehicle or on one's person but does not allow one to have a loaded long gun in a vehicle.

Also, there are states in which a loaded magazine, even if said magazine is not in a gun, is considered a loaded weapon assuming the weapon such magazine is to be used in is also in the vehicle.

 

[DammitBoy]

http://www.du-ha.com/chevy_crew_cab_07.html

I learn something new everytime I come to this forum.

Thanks for the link wrs840!

 

[Warp]

For what it's worth, in OH and PA, a concealed carry permit allows one to have a loaded handgun in a vehicle or on one's person but does not allow one to have a loaded long gun in a vehicle.

...I'm fairly certain that you can have a loaded long gun in the vehicle WITHOUT a concealed carry permit in PA. That would be why the permit doesn't allow it...it was legal to begin with.

If you believe otherwise, could you please cite the law making long guns illegal to carry/have in your car in PA?

 

[Husker_Fan]

In Nebraska, you can have a loaded handgun or rifle in the passenger area of a vehicle so long as it is in plain view without any permit (except in the city of Omaha). A CHP only allows you to conceal a handgun, rifles still need to be in plain view.

In Omaha, you must have the city issued permit to open carry a handgun, or a state CHP to open carry a handgun, even in a vehicle.

Shotguns don't need to be cased, but must have an empty magazine and chamber. That provision is in the game laws to cut down on road hunting of pheasants.

 

[JimStC]

WRS840,
My 2011 F450 has compartments under the back seats which are lockable.
The driver side compartment seems to have adequate space for a short barrel AR-15

 

[Owen Sparks]

If you carry a rifle in your vehicle you better have a good way to conceal it if you plan on parking and leaving it unnatended. You should never leave any valuables visable in a parked car. Transfering it to the trunk when you park may not be all that good of an idea either if someone is watching.

 

[hermannr]

I'm pretty sure you handgun license does not extend to your long gun.

Here in WA we also have a CPL (Concealed Pistol License, BTW: Your CPL does cover revolvers too) but you cannot carry a loaded longgun in or on your vehicle, ever (unless you are LE) That is basically F&W poaching rules, not carry rules.

 

[Brad5192]

The carry permit as nothing to do with long guns. In Minnesota you can have a uncased and unload long gun as long as you are going from home to range, gun shop, hunting spot, gunsmith, cabin and vise vrusa.

 

[Owen Sparks]

How can they prove where you are going?