Rifles to be Banned Under new California Law on Governor Brown's Desk

[Dean Weingarten]

SB-374 is the bill on Governor Brown's desk that would ban most centerfire hunting rifles in California that are semi-automatics. It is clear that this is another long slide down the slippery slope of gun confiscation. I say ban, because anyone who bothers to consider it can see that gun registration is gun confiscation in slow motion.

Here is a short list of additional rifles that will be required to be registered. The legal supply will be cut off. No more will be legally allowed into the state. Notice that attempts to appease those who push citizen disarmament by making it difficult for the rifle to take magazines of more than 3 or 4 rounds, such as the Browning BAR, were not enough to keep the rifle off the list.

These are only the examples that I thought of in a short time. I am sure that there are many that I am missing.

Browning BAR

Remington 740, 742, 750, 7400 rifles.

Some Remington model 8, or 81 rifles, many were modified to take detachable magazines.

Ruger 99/44

Winchester 1907

Bennelli R1

Kel-Tec SU-16

M1 carbine

M1A

Saiga rifles

Mini-14

Heckler & Koch HK-SL6, HK-SL7, HK-660, HK-770

Ljungman m/1942

Tokarev SVT-40, SVT-38

Jaeger AP70 in .32 acp

Nearly all semi-automatic rifles that use a simple tool to remove the magazine.
This was aimed at the so-called "bullet button" California legal rifles.

It appears that nearly all pistols with a threaded barrel are also banned. This includes such popular pistols as:

Many of the popular Ruger 22/45 series

Many Walther P-22 pistols

Many HK-USP pistols

Here is a link to the existing California Assault Weapon Identification Guide.

Looking at the many useful and well made firearms that have already been essentially banned in that state shows that appeasement does not work.

Those who want to disarm the citizenry are not interested in stopping crime. Rifles are used in less than 3% of homicides. Hands and feet are used to kill twice as many. These people are not about reducing crime. They want to disarm anyone who does not answer to their orders.

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http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2013/10/rifles-to-be-banned-under-new.html

 

[Alizard]

Looking at the many useful and well made firearms that have already been essentially banned in that state shows that appeasement does not work.

I am not sure how or why you would use the word "appeasement" at all.

I have lived in California for 50 years. I have seen ridiculously restrictive gun laws put in place starting with the Mulford Act in 1968 signed into law by Ronald Reagan. The newest ridiculous law will ban any purchase of ammo from any source other than state licensed agents and every buyer will submit to background check, fingerprint, and be forced to buy a license to be able to buy ammo.

I know how ridiculous the laws are, but "appeasement" has absolutely nothing to do with it: it's called state's rights. Right now we are a one-party state (democratic). The legislative houses are so heavily democratically controlled that they can pass anything into law without a single vote from a republican. The governor is a dem so he signs it all into law.

How do you get such screwed up laws? Simple. The majority of voters in the state are idiots who hate guns. They buy all the anti gun propoganda being peddled by Feinstein and the rest. And their will is codified into law based on the elections. And that's what happened here.

How am I or any other sane person supposed to nullify that?

The best feature of democracy is that the will of the majority is law. The WORST feature of democracy? SAME THING

 

[Kosh75287]

I guess I haven't paid enough attention to the history of California. How'd it get so filled with idiots who elect people like Brown, Feinstein, and Pelosi?

 

[Mastiff]

That is what the Courts are for, to protect the minority from the majority. All we can hope for is that the Supremes declare these weapons bans unconstitutional.

 

[316SS]

The best feature of democracy is that the will of the majority is law.

Luckily we don't live in a democracy, but rather a consistutional republic. Our constitution provides recourse against laws that violate our natural rights and thereby protects us from the tyranny of the majority. As much as California likes to forget it, and the other states wish it weren't so, California is still a part of the United States.

 

[ChaoSS]

Alizard, the ammo bill failed.


Also, this bill is not merely aimed at restricting the guns that use features such as bullet buttons to get around the old assault weapons laws, this is all guns. No longer do the guns need pistol grips and other "evil features", no they are simply banned by being a semiautomatic rifle without a true fixed magazine.

 

[SunnySlopes]

I guess I haven't paid enough attention to the history of California. How'd it get so filled with idiots who elect people like Brown, Feinstein, and Pelosi?

Back in the 60s california became a center for hippies. These filthy humans (literally, filthy as in dirty, didn't bathe, etc) descended on san fran, big sur, et al, by the thousands. Maybe the tens of thousands.

They denounced the working man but would go into the business districts begging for food and money. Then the time came when they were going to have to somehow take care of themselves. Most were too stupid to find gainful employment, so they went into politics. That, or teaching.

Fast forward forty or fifty years and now the state isn't fit for decent folks to live in.

Pity too. I used to live there. Many things I loved about the state. But I moved in 2006 when it became obvious that we were headed exactly where they are now.

They were never interested in gun control. Their objective is gun abolition. And they're going to win.

 

[4D5]

Escaped 10 years ago to Nevada

Dean Weingarten
It appears that nearly all pistols with a threaded barrel are also banned.

I use to live in California.

Threaded pistol barrels were banned long before this new crazyness.

A threaded pistol barrel and/or suppressor will get you mandatory prison sentence and $10K fine.

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[Hacker15E]

That is what the Courts are for, to protect the minority from the majority. All we can hope for is that the Supremes declare these weapons bans unconstitutional.

No, actually it is the Constitution that protects against "the tyranny of the majority".

 

[HexHead]

Why isn't the M1 Garand on the list?

 

[Willie Sutton]

^^ fixed magazine.

Willie

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[gopguy]

California just passed a law to allow illegal aliens practice law in California. So if they are going to delegitimize their laws by picking and choosing which laws they will obey and which laws they will ignore and blatantly disobey, why should anyone else respect or obey their insane laws? In my view there should be massive disobedience in California, especially where it comes to their gun laws and if you are arrested and dragged to court I think you could use as a defense the way the state treats their own laws.

 

[Neo-Luddite]

Once again, the M1 flies under the radar of the prohibitionists.

No, it's not a 'good thing' really~but handy to remember that M1 travels to all 50 and into Canada when a free person must needs cross into the lands where darkness and chaos rule.

 

[MErl]

have fun with that 8 round clip in NY

 

[danez71]

California just passed a law to allow illegal aliens practice law in California. So if they are going to delegitimize their laws by picking and choosing which laws they will obey and which laws they will ignore and blatantly disobey, why should anyone else respect or obey their insane laws? In my view there should be massive disobedience in California, especially where it comes to their gun laws and if you are arrested and dragged to court I think you could use as a defense the way the state treats their own laws.

That laws hasn't been signed yet. A similar one died in FL. That doesn't mean CA Gov Brown wont sign it but....

nObama has urged the Supreme Court to not allow it because it conflicts with Federal immigration laws.

But ...it really doesn't have anything to do with guns.



Back to the OP
The ammo law didn't pass as noted above.

ALL threaded barrels are banned in CA

The law the OP cites would ban ALL center fire semi auto rifles that have a detachable mag / requiring disassembly of the action of the gun in order to remove the mag. "Bullet buttons" would no longer be acceptable for removal of "fixed" mags.

All of those rifles would have to be registered as assault weapons which has lead to a lot of people in CA saying if they have to register it they will remove their bullet button too as there isn't anything legally distinguishing the difference.

Fixed tube fed isn't on the ban list.

The NRA says it sue because it bans "an entire class of weapon" (from the Heller case). Gov Brown has indicated he is hesitant on signing it... for what ever that's worth.

He doesn't want to sign something that will loose in court which may end up restoring 2Z rights to CA residents.

It stinks all they way around for sure; but there is hope that he wont sign it.

 

[Neo-Luddite]

True enough...even Canada exempted the M-1 from the 5 round mag limit for ctr fire rifles. Alas, N.Y.....

 

[ChaoSS]

I'm actually torn as to whether I'd rather he sign it. At some point we just need a law like this and to take it to court, let the courts decide whether or not these laws are legal. I'd have been interested in them striking down something like California's current AW law, with the single evil feature, but I'd like to see them strike down at least the new law (assuming it passes) and the list of guns banned by make and model.

It's not an easy fight, but better now than in 20 years with who the hell knows who on the SC.

 

[PedalBiker]

State's rights is kind of a lame argument for violating the rights of the individual within the states.
A republic is supposed to be based on the fundamental block of the individual - the concept that the state has the purpose of protecting the rights of all, not just the majority. A Democracy is merely a mob with voting booths.

 

[NickEllis]

The best feature of democracy is that the will of the majority is law.

An impoverished understanding of our constitutional republic. Hopefully this law will be firmly rejected by the conclusions of SCOTUS via Heller.

 

[Willie Sutton]

"The best feature of democracy is that the will of the majority is law"


Apparently one of the several failings of our current education system is a lack of instruction in civics.

I suppose the example of two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner would be a fair example of democracy...


Willie


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[tomrkba]

State's rights is kind of a lame argument for violating the rights of the individual within the states.

How so? There is no right to keep and bear arms in the California constitution. The Federal Second Amendment only limits Federal action. The 2A has not been incorporated under the 14A as far as I know.

Apparently one of the several failings of our current education system is a lack of instruction in civics.

No..it is the DELIBERATE misrepresentation of what little civics is taught that is the problem.

 

[Frank Ettin]

...There is no right to keep and bear arms in the California constitution. The Federal Second Amendment only limits Federal action. The 2A has not been incorporated under the 14A as far as I know...

Actually the Second Amendment was incorporated against the States under the Fourteenth Amendment by the decision of the Supreme Court in the case of McDonald v. Chicago, 561 U.S. 3025 (2010).

At SCOTUSBlog:

Holding:The Second Amendment right of individuals to keep and bear arms in self defense applies against state and local governments as well as the federal government.

 

[jerkface11]

On the ban list you posted there's a rifle? called a Jaeger ap70 that's chambered in .32 auto. I can't find any mention of this rifle anywhere what is it?

 

[Willie Sutton]

^^^

It's a German made AR-15 cosmetic-clone from the 1970's and 80's. Also produced in .22 rf.


Willie

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[jerkface11]

So they're even banning really obscure stuff by name now?