Rudy Giuliani vs. Hillary Clinton .. Next President & Gun Control
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Marshall
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Liberals would vote for the devil if they thought she would beat the Republican.
Standing Wolf
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Unfortunately, I'm not saying it. It's lately occurred to me the do-nothings of the Republican party may well make it inevitable that Mrs. Snopes Clinton be elected.
At this point, about all she'd have to do would be to stand up and announce, “I'm not like those do-nothing Republicans," and plenty of people would be dumb enough to hand her their votes. Realistically speaking, how much respect is a nation supposed to feel for a party that can't even confirm an ambassador to the U.N.? How enthusiastic is the nation supposed to be about yet another land war in Asia? Where are the real tax cuts? Where's the smaller government?
Ditto that and double it. Not to mention the $26 billion in pork congress just ripped us for so they can stay in office. And open borders-WHEN THE HELL ARE THE REPUBLICANS GOING TO CLOSE THE BORDER???
Yeah, I know. Hillary will run against some weak Republican and it will be 'the most important election in our lifetime'.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. No more big government liberal Republicans for me.I will never never vote Republican again. And I suspect I'm not alone. And they've only got themselves to blame. Let the chips fall where they may.
Mongo the Mutterer
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What do you get when you mate Hillary and Janet Reno? 
Chelsea, of course
Chelsea, of course
Exactly right. There's not enough real difference between the parties to make a case for voting for one over the other IMO. I've been voting Republican for the last 37 years, during which time Republicans have occupied the Whitehouse 25 of those years. Yet we're becoming a socialist state with an ever growing federal government. I've had enough, thanks.
If George Bush were accused of being a conservative Republican, would there be enough evidence to convict him?
I think not.
Mongo the Mutterer
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Riley Mc.
So who are you going to vote for? I assume even though you are from the Peoples Republic of California you don't love the Demogogs...
The Libertarians are weak as hell, and really don't have anything. Who do you vote for? NOT voting isn't an option. Do you really want your two b**** senators? If so, in the words of your Senator Feinstein ... "turn them in".
I don't care for the RINOs but they are ALL WE HAVE. This is politics and believe me you will NEVER get all you want. But the President has immense power via executive orders and the executive branch. You want Hillary, vote Libertarian or Green or some other assinine party. Waste your vote...
So who are you going to vote for? I assume even though you are from the Peoples Republic of California you don't love the Demogogs...
The Libertarians are weak as hell, and really don't have anything. Who do you vote for? NOT voting isn't an option. Do you really want your two b**** senators? If so, in the words of your Senator Feinstein ... "turn them in".
I don't care for the RINOs but they are ALL WE HAVE. This is politics and believe me you will NEVER get all you want. But the President has immense power via executive orders and the executive branch. You want Hillary, vote Libertarian or Green or some other assinine party. Waste your vote...
Well, make your case. Show me where Republicans have repealed restrictive gun laws, or reduced government size and power, or increased individual liberties. Explain why Republicans are not the same pandering vote whores as the Democrats and act only in their own personal interests. Explain why, with majorities in both houses, they can't even get a U.N. ambassador confirmed. What have they done to earn my vote? Not that it makes any difference in a presidential election, California's electoral votes will go to the Democrat. Wasted vote? My 37 years voting Republican qualify IMO.
Mongo the Mutterer
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They ARE. I FEEL THE SAME WAY. Being a politician makes you a vote whore.
We don't have a choice, we've never had a choice, and we never will have a choice.
As long as we don't show up at their castles with pitchforks and torches the Republicrats will continue to act they way they have in the past. Even if we do, they will be replaced with people of the same ilk. It is politics.
As long as the majority of the people in this nation don't get po'd it will be business as usual.
Use your representatives, show up where they show up. They need your support, and they know for every e-mail you send them, there are 100 or 1,000, or 10,000 people who feel the same way.
I agree that the republicans could be more conservative, and be more aggressive with their majority status.
That said, to state there is no difference between the republicans and Democrats is clearly incorrect. The national republicans just pushed a big pro-gun bill through the senate, opposed tooth and nail by the Democrats, who wanted to sue the US gun industry into extinction. They also let the AWB die, when the Democrats would have renewed and expanded it. We also got some solid judges into the system. Who would you rather have, Roberts or Reno in the Supreme Court?
On the state level, they've really made a big difference, going from 10 states with shall-issue to 38 states. Again, with the Democrats fighting the whole way. Florida republicans passed the "castle doctrine" bill, no longer will law abiding citizens have a duty to retreat from criminals, to the usual crys of "blood in the streets" from the Democrats.
Clearly, there is a difference between the parties. Maybe not as great a difference as some would like, granted, but enough to tell me where my vote should go.
jefnvk
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Here is an idea: let's outlaw the party system. You want elected? Get out and voice your opinions on important matters. No more just getting votes because you are a R or a D or a L or whatever.
Of course, I'd have a hard time finding a congresscritter to author such a bill.
Of course, I'd have a hard time finding a congresscritter to author such a bill.
Mongo the Mutterer
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I like the idea, but as soon as the congresscritters get together they will group together and form parties (or cliques, or groups, or bridge clubs, or poker tables) Human nature.
If you get more than two people together you have politics. Hell, if you get more than one....
Derby FALs
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Repeal the 17th Amendment. Go back to electing our Washington Senators by the state legislature...
CAnnoneer
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The current system is rapidly exhausting its reserve of vitality as it promotes incompetence and blind obedience. Becoming increasingly inefficient and erroneous, it heads the country to economic and eventually military weakness and decline.
If the resulting shocks are sufficiently strong, a healthy shakedown may revitalize it and give it another lease on life. If not, a slow graceless decay is in order. My money is on scenario #1, as the US is too big and too diverse to follow the path of the UK or France.
The physics analogy is stellar development - the most massive stars burn out quickly and explode as the mass collapses upon itself, while smaller stars gradually expand and then slowly burn out.
If the resulting shocks are sufficiently strong, a healthy shakedown may revitalize it and give it another lease on life. If not, a slow graceless decay is in order. My money is on scenario #1, as the US is too big and too diverse to follow the path of the UK or France.
The physics analogy is stellar development - the most massive stars burn out quickly and explode as the mass collapses upon itself, while smaller stars gradually expand and then slowly burn out.
Fairlane63
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The great one-- Barry Goldwater?
gunsmith
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as an ex (NATIVE) new yorker
I would never vote for Gulianni,NY'ers love him but he is no Conservative.
Expect an attack on the 2nd amendment if he makes it. No way he gets past Primary and neither will McCain ....thank God! ...
I can't see hillary making it to president either-she is real popular among real libs but thats it.
I wish the Repubs would grow some.
I would never vote for Gulianni,NY'ers love him but he is no Conservative.
Expect an attack on the 2nd amendment if he makes it. No way he gets past Primary and neither will McCain ....thank God! ...
I can't see hillary making it to president either-she is real popular among real libs but thats it.
I wish the Repubs would grow some.
sturmruger
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I would like to See Giuliani run for the senate in NY. I am sure he would get elected by a landslide!!
Derby FALs
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Good thing you won't be voting for him.
Silver Bullet
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IIRC, he was running for the Senate, and against Hillary. Then, before the election, he quit for "health" reasons. (Maybe he was "sick" and tired of being behind in the polls; I don't remember if he was or not.)
I never did hear anything about his overcoming his "illness." It must be some kind of miracle if he's thinking of running for office again.
I never did hear anything about his overcoming his "illness." It must be some kind of miracle if he's thinking of running for office again.
I think what all you guys are overlooking is the fact that the last two presidential elections have really been won by razon-thin margins. In fact the first Bush win didn't carry the popular vote. The only reason Bush won both times is because of running against a very weak opponent. Next election will be different. No incumbent advantage for anyone. A dynamic candidate will carry the election, irrespective of political affiliation. Hillary runs, she wins. People are stupid. The Oprah viewers will flock to the polls, along with all the illegal aliens.
What would really be a kicker is if Bill ran as VP and Hillary resigned 2 years into her last term and Bill got to be president again.
Dan
What would really be a kicker is if Bill ran as VP and Hillary resigned 2 years into her last term and Bill got to be president again.
Dan
Standing Wolf
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Please excuse me all the way to wherever and back, but a.) that bill is merely a Band-Aid, and b.) it should have been applied five years ago, when the states began to stand up to the leftist extremists who were trying to abuse the courts in their patently obvious scheme to bankrupt the firearms industry.
Where were the Republicans then? Where were they, in fact, last year, when they let the leftist extremists garbage up the bill with more of their insane anti-Second Amendment bigotry?
The Republican party has become the party of big government, big pork, and big talk. All Mrs. Snopes Clinton needs to do is announce she's not part of the Republican party. That's it. Think she's bright enough to figure out the obvious and rise to the challenge?
A pox on both their houses!
ZeroX
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Topics like these make we want to head to the hills and live in a mud hut. 
In fairness, he had prostate cancer:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/spotlighthealth/2002-10-14-giuliani_x.htm
Which in my book is a pretty damn good excuse.
That's the talk that kept the republican party in the minority for 38+ years. It's more important to be in the majority, then to be 100% ideologically correct. Progress is being made, if not on your particular timetable.
Two things are for certain - voting libertarian is asking to lose, and voting Democrat is going backwards.
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