Ruger GP100 “Single Action”

[ECVMatt]

I am! 175 days until retirement and I am gone!

1460 for me!

Not that I am counting or anything.....

 

[Riomouse911]

Smart work-around!

I hate living in this state more and more every day. If Governor moron gets his latest pipe dream of free health care for anyone, and the requisite massive tax increases that’ll be run by the world class incompetents that Sacramento is famous for, I’m moving with or without the spouse.

Stay safe.

 

[Gryff]

Semi-necro thread.

Okay, I got the skinny on the Ruger GP100 and how it became "Single Action Only". I called the store and spoke with a manager.

Ruger did not make it this way. The gun arrived at the store configured as it should be when it left the factory.
The gun store removed the DA Dog on the hammer to make it Single Action Only so that it is legal to sell in California.
This gun WAS on the CA Roster but dropped off on January 1st apparently. So, they configured it so that is legal to sell.
I guess that is okay if it is in the state when the gun falls off the roster. - This is a guess on my part. I do not know this for sure.
Handguns that are in the state but not on the roster are still legal to sell.

Wait, does that mean it's no longer legal to sell double action revolvers in Comifornia??
Or just double action revolvers without an internal lock?

We Californians have the idiotic Safe Handgun Roster. No new handgun can be added to the roster unless it micro-stamps. Our former whackadoodle Attorney General/now Vice President of the United States arbitrarily declared micro-stamping to be a valid technology, which activated a legislative clause that mandates all new guns added to the roster must micro-stamp. For the record, we have had a new handgun model added to the roster in at least seven years (we are still stuck with Gen3 Glocks, and do not have a single gun on-roster that is factory designed to mount an RDS).

If a gun is not on the Roster, it cannot be sold by a dealer, nor can it be shipped (even within the state). It does not apply on what we call Person-to-Person Transfers (PPT), where it is a private transfer with both parties present at the FFL. The caveat to this is that single-action guns are exempt from the roster (there are a few other criteria such as overall length and capacity), so if it is possible to convert a DA/SA gun to SA only, then it can be sold by a dealer inside the state. This is a strategy that I use when I buy a Smith & Wesson online that isn't on the roster. I have the gun shipped in its original form to my California FFL who then allows me to convert the gun to SAO at his location before he begins the transfer paperwork. Once the gun is in my possession, I convert it back to DA/SA (completely legal).

As Pat Riot was told by the store manager, they did this on a gun that had fallen off the roster so that they could still sell it to a Californian. Otherwise, they would have been forced to sell it to someone out of state.

I actually found this thread because I'm searching for info on how to convert a Ruger GP100 to SAO. There's a particular model I'm lusting after, but I've only ever done the conversion on S&Ws.

BTW, as an example of the stupidity behind the roster, a) law enforcement agencies are not required to use "safe" handguns, and b) if the manufacturer doesn't pay the periodic renewal fees for a model, that model magically because "unsafe" to sell. Sure sounds like a tax and backdoor ban to me...

 

[SDGlock23]

I've heard some whoppers coming from salesmen behind gun counters, now don't get me wrong a lot do know what they're talking about and are knowledgeable but many are simply ignorant. Seems like maybe this gun was an exception but otherwise anyone saying a GP100 is single action only deserves a raised eyebrow.

 

[Pat Riot]

I actually found this thread because I'm searching for info on how to convert a Ruger GP100 to SAO. There's a particular model I'm lusting after, but I've only ever done the conversion on S&Ws.

You will need to remove the hammer double action dog. Click on this link and look at items 41 & 42. This is the part that I have read needs to be removed for the SAO conversion. I am not sure about the hammer dog plunger and spring, items 43 & 44.

https://www.gunpartscorp.com/gun-manufacturer/ruger/revolvers-ruger/gp100

 

[Pat Riot]

I've heard some whoppers coming from salesmen behind gun counters, now don't get me wrong a lot do know what they're talking about and are knowledgeable but many are simply ignorant. Seems like maybe this gun was an exception but otherwise anyone saying a GP100 is single action only deserves a raised eyebrow.

Making a DA into a SA is how some guns get sold in California to get around the the silly laws. It is not the norm, but it is done.

 

[ECVMatt]

One benefit of a Ruger revolver is the ease of converting to SA. I ordered the 5" .44 SPL and they had to convert it to SA for the transfer. When I picked it up I converted it back to DA in the front seat of my truck before I drove home. The dealer I work with just puts the extra parts in the box and then you just remove the hammer, reinstall the parts, put the hammer back in and you are done. Some other makers are not this easy.

 

[RugRev]

"I am not sure about the hammer dog plunger and spring, items 43 & 44." PatRiot

I would remove #43 and #44, too, otherwise might float around in the action until one puts the gun back in all one piece with the hammer dog.
I seem to recall some years ago when they were still making Dan Wesson revolvers that some were offered in SA only config for the CA market. Don't know if they were made that way or a dealer modified a bunch. This was down in SoCal. I left the state about that time with no intention of ever going back.

 

[Pat Riot]

"I am not sure about the hammer dog plunger and spring, items 43 & 44." PatRiot

I would remove #43 and #44, too, otherwise might float around in the action until one puts the gun back in all one piece with the hammer dog.
I seem to recall some years ago when they were still making Dan Wesson revolvers that some were offered in SA only config for the CA market. Don't know if they were made that way or a dealer modified a bunch. This was down in SoCal. I left the state about that time with no intention of ever going back.

Thank you. I wasn’t sure as I haven’t fully disassembled my only GP100…yet.

On July 23rd I leave California for good. Thank God!

 

[JohnKSa]

Okay, I got the skinny on the Ruger GP100 and how it became "Single Action Only". I called the store and spoke with a manager.

I was going to just "like" your post for coming back to let us know what was up. But there's so much in that post I don't like, I couldn't bring myself to click the button. What a mess. I guess it's nice that there's a relatively simple work-around.

So in lieu of a like, I'll just post this to thank you for the followup!

 

[plainsdrifter]

Ruger revolvers are scarce here in the southwest so yeah price seems right.

 

[ECVMatt]

I was going to just "like" your post for coming back to let us know what was up. But there's so much in that post I don't like, I couldn't bring myself to click the button. What a mess. I guess it's nice that there's a relatively simple work-around.

So in lieu of a like, I'll just post this to thank you for the followup!

I am with you and for me the work around is a way to resist. I know it is no big deal, but it just shows Sacramento that they can not fully control us. Only a few more years and I am out. On the bright side, there is hope this law will go down with the new SCOTUS guidelines in place. I am still leaving though.

Ruger revolvers are scarce here in the southwest so yeah price seems right.

Same here in CA. I have tried for a year to buy a new Ruger revolver. I have been looking for a Match Champion, just found a nice used one, and a 3" LCRx in .357. Neither of those have shown up new near me in the last year. I guess this is good for bank account, but bad for the gotta haves.

 

[Y-T71]

Sounds like you're getting things sorted out, good for you!

Too bad your thinking about passing on it, sounds like you already did a bunch of work just getting to the point you're at.!

Rosters, approved lists, removing parts as a work around, micro stamping, taxes, fees, more taxes, licences, waiting permission from an arbitrary and likely illegal govt entity (shall not be infringed and all that) ...

All for the privilege of "freedom" and some of (if not the) the highest taxes in the union.

Wanna know what I do when I find a gun I want to buy?

I buy it.

 

[edwardware]

The gun store removed the DA Dog on the hammer to make it Single Action Only so that it is legal to sell in California.

. . . we are still stuck with Gen3 Glocks, and do not have a single gun on-roster that is factory designed to mount an RDS).

So. . . I'll bet a moderately clever cobbler could make a parts kit for a Gen5 Gluck that would require manually actuating the slide between shots.

 

[PapaG]

I had a new old stock High Standard Sentinel that would only work sa. Gunsmith couldn’t figure it out either.

 

[Hookeye]

I saw my first SA Smith not long ago, was marked on the box.
Been around for a while and never heard of em.
So clicked on this thread wondering if Ruger ever did such a thing LOL

 

[Hookeye]

I had a Smith 629-1 that suddenly only worked in single action.
300grainers broke the trigger pivot.
Smith fixed it and I never shot over 240s in any Smith .44 mag since (never had an endurance package model though).

 

[TTv2]

If thinking about buying, wait. Within a year or two the CA handgun roster is going to be nuked by the courts and there's going to be a flood of handguns into California like the Red Sea on the Pharoh's soldiers. Companies are going to be offering rebates like the dickens to get you to buy their stuff and none of this DA revolver being sold as single action is going to be happening anymore.

It is not a buyers market for anything right now. Give it to 2023 when the recession has whacked us good and prices are going to drop.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

Wow.
For someone, me, with a standard Ruger Security Six which I shoot Single Action 98% of the time, requiring the double action feature removed to be legal in California is just ...
Wow.

I suspect the California approved list artificially inflates the cost of handguns on the legal market and stimulates the black market. Two losses for no benefit.

 

[Pat Riot]

Wow.
For someone, me, with a standard Ruger Security Six which I shoot Single Action 98% of the time, requiring the double action feature removed to be legal in California is just ...
Wow.

I suspect the California approved list artificially inflates the cost of handguns on the legal market and stimulates the black market. Two losses for no benefit.

Once you buy the gun you can legally put the double action dog back into the gun. The laws here are just weird.