razorback2003
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How does the new Ruger GP100 22 compare with the Smith 617? Hopefully some folks out there have tried out the new Ruger GP100 22.
Ruger GP100 22 VS Smith 617
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I just tried my buddy's GP 100 .22 tonight and we did some bowling pin shooting, (also tested a prototype speed loader for it).
He just got it last weekend, the action is tight and it looks great. The trigger is not bad for a new gun, I'm sure it will smooth out with use.
We shot a few hundred rounds with the Ruger and found we were having occasional misfires, about 1 in 30. I shot just as many rounds with both of my 617's with the same ammo and had no misfires. After comparing the spent rounds, we noticed that the Ruger was hitting near the outer edge of the cartridge, actually making a sharp burr on the edge of the spent brass.
We also noticed some sharp edges on the frame, crane and hammer, might cause some lost skin someday.
He is going clean and inspect but I'm afraid he may have to send it back for firing pin repair.
As far as a comparison to the 617, the frame is a little bigger (more like an L frame S&W), the balance is good because it has no full lug under the barrel. It's not fair to compare triggers yet, my S&W's have reduced trigger springs and have many thousands of action smoothing rounds through them. I prefer the black partridge front sights over the green fiber optic, also noticed no glare reducing serrations on the GP rear sight.
Otherwise, I like the gun and I would like to add one to my collection.
He just got it last weekend, the action is tight and it looks great. The trigger is not bad for a new gun, I'm sure it will smooth out with use.
We shot a few hundred rounds with the Ruger and found we were having occasional misfires, about 1 in 30. I shot just as many rounds with both of my 617's with the same ammo and had no misfires. After comparing the spent rounds, we noticed that the Ruger was hitting near the outer edge of the cartridge, actually making a sharp burr on the edge of the spent brass.
We also noticed some sharp edges on the frame, crane and hammer, might cause some lost skin someday.
He is going clean and inspect but I'm afraid he may have to send it back for firing pin repair.
As far as a comparison to the 617, the frame is a little bigger (more like an L frame S&W), the balance is good because it has no full lug under the barrel. It's not fair to compare triggers yet, my S&W's have reduced trigger springs and have many thousands of action smoothing rounds through them. I prefer the black partridge front sights over the green fiber optic, also noticed no glare reducing serrations on the GP rear sight.
Otherwise, I like the gun and I would like to add one to my collection.
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ArchAngelCD
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Both are nice revolver and I fired both. I prefer the balance of the M617 over the GP100 and would choose the S&W if buying. If you are open to a third choice take a look at the S&W M17. There is just something special about blue and walnut that is just right. The barrel is 6" which is a aid in better accuracy. They were selling the 4" M18 too but it seems to be gone from the current catalog. Maybe you can still find a M18 NIB if you like the 4" barrel better.
It's just a thought but if you want to stick with the 2 you mentioned I like the M617 over the GP100.
It's just a thought but if you want to stick with the 2 you mentioned I like the M617 over the GP100.
I have a 6" 17 and 4", 5" and 6" 617s. I like the 17 best with the 5" 617 a close see second. The GP100 in .22 appears to me to be a SS version of the 17. The frame is heavier, the barrel is a bit shorter to maintain the balance. I look forward to trying the new Ruger.
I own the GP100 that DS 10 speed referenced a few posts up. He's a little kinder
to Ruger than I am. That thing has more sharp edges than a box of razor blades,
the basics are there but the finishing details are lacking.
Basically reflects that Ruger is churning out thousands of guns per day and a
extra 2 minutes of deburing would cost them some margin.
Not sure about the mis-fire issue yet, I hope to have time to pull it
fully apart this week and see what's happening.
As a side note there's a video of the gun on Gun blast.com.
In the slow motion video at the end of the review you can easily see
the nicely done 45 degree cylinder chamfer that gun has done on it.
Guess what, somebody went over it before it got out the door.
They don't have that on the production guns....
The owners manual provided, plainly says dry firing is ok but on
my gun the firing pin is clearly contacting the edge of the cylinder.
I dry fired it maybe 300-400 times and the cylinder is dimpled
on all 10 holes. It' not bad enough to hurt anything yet, but I'm
not impressed.
It's got the potential of being a nice solid gun but I think it's
going to take some work and/or a trip back to Ruger.
At $350-$400 I'd be impressed but not so much at $630 plus
tax.
Dave
to Ruger than I am. That thing has more sharp edges than a box of razor blades,
the basics are there but the finishing details are lacking.
Basically reflects that Ruger is churning out thousands of guns per day and a
extra 2 minutes of deburing would cost them some margin.
Not sure about the mis-fire issue yet, I hope to have time to pull it
fully apart this week and see what's happening.
As a side note there's a video of the gun on Gun blast.com.
In the slow motion video at the end of the review you can easily see
the nicely done 45 degree cylinder chamfer that gun has done on it.
Guess what, somebody went over it before it got out the door.
They don't have that on the production guns....
The owners manual provided, plainly says dry firing is ok but on
my gun the firing pin is clearly contacting the edge of the cylinder.
I dry fired it maybe 300-400 times and the cylinder is dimpled
on all 10 holes. It' not bad enough to hurt anything yet, but I'm
not impressed.
It's got the potential of being a nice solid gun but I think it's
going to take some work and/or a trip back to Ruger.
At $350-$400 I'd be impressed but not so much at $630 plus
tax.
Dave
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Back from Ruger customer service
Returned to me today from Ruger customer service. Looks like a one day turnaround! Hard to believe that level of service.
I shot 10 x 2 of the same ammo that was ftf ~10%. All 20 fired. So the first small test passed OK. It appears the pin's strike is now deeper. The size of the strike appears to be the same. The area of the strike is very small, but it now works. The strike area seems to be totally on the 22 case (not touching the cylinder as some others mentioned) Over the next several days I will test it much more.
Maybe this will alert them to some needed quality checks before shipment.
Returned to me today from Ruger customer service. Looks like a one day turnaround! Hard to believe that level of service.
I shot 10 x 2 of the same ammo that was ftf ~10%. All 20 fired. So the first small test passed OK. It appears the pin's strike is now deeper. The size of the strike appears to be the same. The area of the strike is very small, but it now works. The strike area seems to be totally on the 22 case (not touching the cylinder as some others mentioned) Over the next several days I will test it much more.
Maybe this will alert them to some needed quality checks before shipment.
ejhokie74,
Did they tell you what they did to it?
Also asking a favor.....with the hammer cocked
does the transfer bar cover most of the firing pin?
Mine only covers the lower 1/3rd to maybe 1/2 of
the pin. I'm getting misfires on double action
about 1 every 20-30 rounds.
Ruger is sending me a new transfer bar to try.
Will post results when I get it.
Thanks
Dave
Did they tell you what they did to it?
Also asking a favor.....with the hammer cocked
does the transfer bar cover most of the firing pin?
Mine only covers the lower 1/3rd to maybe 1/2 of
the pin. I'm getting misfires on double action
about 1 every 20-30 rounds.
Ruger is sending me a new transfer bar to try.
Will post results when I get it.
Thanks
Dave
CraigC
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In a new gun, I'd prefer the Ruger. Turn the clock back a few years, S&W all the way.
Ruger repair
Dave: No paperwork. No communication. Appears to be fully functional now.
Yes, you are right. The bar is low against the pin. Maybe less than half.
I suggest you send it back. It is painless and very quick. The person I spoke to helped develop the gun and was a pleasure to talk to.
I shot 100+ rounds today SA & DA (mixed) while shooting.
Only one ftf, rotated and fired. Both pin strikes looked the same so I chalk it up to ammo. I am shooting 8-10 yr old stuff.
It is a GP100 stout, strong, solid Ruger. I know what they make and I got what I expected. For other people, YMMV.
Dave: No paperwork. No communication. Appears to be fully functional now.
Yes, you are right. The bar is low against the pin. Maybe less than half.
I suggest you send it back. It is painless and very quick. The person I spoke to helped develop the gun and was a pleasure to talk to.
I shot 100+ rounds today SA & DA (mixed) while shooting.
Only one ftf, rotated and fired. Both pin strikes looked the same so I chalk it up to ammo. I am shooting 8-10 yr old stuff.
It is a GP100 stout, strong, solid Ruger. I know what they make and I got what I expected. For other people, YMMV.
Thanks for checking the transfer bar and posting the pictures.
Looking with just the naked eyeball, I'd say mine is closer to the first
picture, but maybe a little stronger.
Too bad they didn't tell you what they did to it.
Edit added....almost looks like a smaller diameter or a flat
tip on the firing pin.
Dave
Looking with just the naked eyeball, I'd say mine is closer to the first
picture, but maybe a little stronger.
Too bad they didn't tell you what they did to it.
Edit added....almost looks like a smaller diameter or a flat
tip on the firing pin.
Dave
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Wow, that does seem a bit shallow.
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