Ruger mini 14 vs AR15 accuracy challenge. Calling all Ruger Mini14 shooters

[frankiestoys]

masterPsmith
NICE, VERY NICE IM GLAD WE HAVE A WINNER AND SOME RESPECT FOR THE MINI HAS BEEN EARNED.

PS. and its not even a 580

 

[R.W.Dale]

Again congratulations on your achievement masterPsmith that's certainly a fine example of shooting AND gunsmithing if ever I saw one. Fine work Fine work!


As I said I would do at the beginning of this match I owe the Ruger Mini crowd an apology for any and all derogatory comments I have made towards the ruger mini series of firearms. They can indeed be accurate with proper tuning.

As to the official onTarget numbers and leaderboard update

Like everything you've submitted thus far masterPsmith your target scoring was top notch. Matching the computer program within just a few thousandths. Officially coming in at a very fine indeed 1.369" average

 

[Whip]

A mini can be made to shoot pretty good. With a few low cost mods. Mine does not have a front site I made my own flash supresser and did not incorperrate one on it.This is what mine will do at 100 yards with a scope. The barrel was cooled between groups. The black center is 1". Not as good as some AR-15s but good enough for a 29 year old pencil thin barrel. A good coyote gun but not a target rifle.

 

[HarleyFixer]

I don't have time to go to the range but here is a group I shot with my Mini14 this summer at 100 yds after installing barrel strut. So yes there are some that can shoot but not without some work.
This group was shot from a solid rest with a 10X target scope so it does not qualify but shows what can be done. BTW that is a .8025 group if you can't read the calipers.

 

[wyksta]

I was going to ask what the OP intended to accomplish - then I read a few of the posts in this thread. It seems no matter the brand, especially with firearms, there will always be those that take up the banner and drop their senses and maturity. It could have been a football or baseball forum, maybe even a Chevy or Ford forum, the end result is the same; we humans can be exceedingly small-minded, especially when we put our minds to it.

 

[X - Man]

The original poster krochus, has provided a forum for targets to be submitted and reviewed. It allows realistic comparisons to be made, and from those comparisons, lessons learned and applied. For some of us there has been a lot of ideas exchanged between us.

I have another set of targets which is being set to krochus as a submission for the contest. If posted, the target info may be useful for other shooters.

There may be others that can shoot better than me, but my abilities as shooter have been improved by participating in this forum. The toughest competitor I face is usually myself.

 

[masterPsmith]

Well, after having shot and posted my results, I hope it does not stop there. I would like to see a lot more Mini and AR shooters get out there and shoot, then post. I see many posts saying what they can do on both sides, but don't see them posting any targets to back it up. Does not matter if it is a Mini, AR or other .223/5.56 semi auto, would like to see more participation..................

Jim.....................

 

[R.W.Dale]

This match has been great, but it's also getting large ad rather unweildly in terms of post count. I intend to replace the current ar vs mini match with a free for all winter 2010 rapid fire match. It will be just like the current match with the exclusion of a shorter time limit of two minutes and specific classes for scoped vs irons and caliber. I invite all you fellas from perfectunion to participate.

Now I'm not picking on anyone with the shorter time limit, My reasoning it's just that when shooting my submissions I noticed that 3 minutes for 10 shots really wasn't that "rapid". SO I''l but it up before you guys.

A Stay with the 3 minute time limit and shoot against bolt actions and the like

B or go to 2 minutes and pretty much make this a semiauto and milsurp (strippers) only match

 

[chuwee81]

just shot the ar this past tuesday with red dot and grip bipod and sandbag. IT IS A FEAT to shoot that small of a group with just iron sights. I used the 4 MOA red dot and the results are just that: 4-5" group at 100 yds, 3-3.5" at 50 yds - with the red dot and iron. the target is as big as the front sight post at 100 yds (in my defense - it's only the 2nd time out with the platform and it was windy and cold as well - we Houstonians aren't used to cold that much, especially when one ignore the weather forecast and didn't bring a pair of gloves).

So :
1. I agree about the quote about tactical impact thing: 4 MOA red dot is good combat accuracy at 100 yds. It easily covers the human heart or head.
2. It's VERY HARD to go under 2.5 MOA with just iron sight at 100 yds. Heck i couldn't even do it at the 50 yd line.
3. the contest seems to put up the shooter to the challenge and not the platform to its full potential. It'll be interesting to see the scoped challenge results.
4. I need to go out shooting more

 

[FRJ]

Here is a photo of a group I fired with my mini off the bench at 114 yards. It was fired in a timed fire manner to see if poi changed as the barrel heated. It falls well within your limits BUT it was shot with a 4X scope as I'm 66 years young and can't see 100yard targets well enough to get good accuracy.This is however what a mini can do.

 

[FRJ]

The target I posted is a group of 20 shots at 114 yards shot from a mini 14 at a high rate of fire and grouped 1.438" It was shot with a 4X scope since at my age I cant see well enough to shoot accurately at 100 yards with iron sights. Sorry it doesn't qualify for your challenge but it does show how a mini can shoot. FRJ

 

[McBuck]

OLD GUYS RULE !!!
I love to see what old guys can do with a rifle. Dosen't matter the gun, I am always impressed to see how experience always triumphs over bravado. I am just glad I didn't run my mouth against you FRJ

 

[frankiestoys]

FRJ
Nice shooting ! As krochus said ,and many others will agree, the mini new or old , young guys or not so young. The mini 14 has shown to be a darn good rifle.
Great job to everyone who posted or just got out there and tried.I think this was fun, educational and at time's entertaining.
Lets all remember we all have a common intrest and a genuine love for firearms .
frankiestoys

 

[Darth AkSarBen]

Great job FRJ. I've been shooting since I was 8 back in 1961. Started out with a .22 single shot. Just a post of a Saiga (made by Izhmash, in Russia - same place the AK-47 and other variants made) in the .308 Winchester caliber. This is a Kalashnikov design with a long stroke piston and 3 locking lug breech. 16" barrel and 5 shots at an old Pizza Hut box at 100 yards. When shooting (took less than 2 minutes) I wasn't even sure the bullets were hitting the cardboard. Used a 3x9 x 32 scope. When i walked up on the target I found out why I couldn't see the holes.



This is a testament to the ability of the Kalashnikov design when shot with proper ammunition and optics and in the right caliber.
It should also show that the Piston action system is a good competition to the DI systems of the AR-15 Eugene Stoner design. I'm looking at getting an AR-15 but in 6.8 SPC II and converting it to Piston action, Adams Arms, just as soon as I get the rifle.

 

[VeT|Us]

Best group last outing with my 580-series with accustrut 2 added: 0.27 MOA.

Even cut out the target and keep it in my drawer.

 

[icanthitabarn]

Well thanks to krochus for motivation and learning of the homemade strut. Hope there is a red dot class in future challenges. Went out yesterday, but only made it to 50 yds. The SOAG is shooting fantastically. I had a little problem with the CTD struts, (3) and ended up retapping all 24 holes and using larger SS fasteners. I now imagine that the rig is even more solid. Had room for a laser too. I need to get a new photohost, as photobucket wont let me sign in or add pics. Lets just say, I think 3/4 inch moa is possible at 50 yds and hopefully further. ( doubt it). I am sticking with heavy bullets, but even some Wolf stuff shot way better than ever. I even got motivated to reload for the gun.