Ruger Old Army Discontinued ?

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mike101, to compare apples to apples, I'll use prices from Dixie.

Ruger Old Army, stainless, fixed sights: $645 (7.5") or $650 (5.5")
Uberti Remington, stainless, $325 (target sights) or $365 (original sights)

Uberti's frames are forged now. Ruger's are still cast: strong, yes, but heavy, definitely. The Remmie is a better balanced pistol.

Want something that is the functional equivalent of the ROA with adjustable sights? Get this Rogers and Spencer Target Model for $275. http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_92_187_189&products_id=2569

Now some vendors charge less for the ROA. These guys have some of the best prices, consistently: http://www.buffaloarms.com/browse.cfm/2,337.html

$476.16 for the cheapest blue one, to $548.19 for the highest priced stainless ROA.

They don't list the stainless Ubertis, but they have Cimarron blue 1858's, $253.29 for the 7.5", 5.5" or 7.5" CCH frame.

So, for a given vendor, we're looking at almost a 2:1 price ratio for the ROA vs. a really nice Remmie.

(I think Ruger hasn't put any effort into BP for a long, long time, due to its well-deserved success in producing reasonably-priced, highly-abuse-tolerant CAS pistols. The price is $487.39 for a New Vaquero from Buffalo Arms, BTW, vs. $460.89 for a stainless Cimarron/Uberti Model P SAA. Ruger's gun has modern mechanicals and requires no work to use for high volume shooting. Ruger is clearly very competitive in the cartridge single action world, probably because there's enough demand to make it worth putting their investments in that direction.)

Now there was a time, like I said, where it was hard to get a good replica, but that time is past. The mid-19th century designs, when reproduced with quality and care, balance well, point well and shoot accurately; they're fun, and at two for the price of one, it's hard to pass up the beautiful replicas now being sold, for the ROA.
 
"mike101 I am also a swear by Walker owner I have Never had the loading lever fall on my walker even when shooting full 60 grain loads."

That's great! You have the only Walker I ever heard of that doesn't drop the lever. Even 2nd Generation Colt Colts do it. Did you alter it in some way?

Not that a Walker isn't on my list. I love Walkers and 3rd Dragoons, and most of the Colts. To be honest, I was never that crazy about the Remmies, even though it's a better design.

Dixie is apparently charging full list for the ROA. Anyone who pays that much for one, just ain't payin' attention.
 
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I just went to the Ruger website and there are several Old Armies there and they do not seem to be discontinued. Maybe they are and maybe they aren't.
 
Well, the fact is, if you don't like the Walker's loading lever, you can get a First Dragoon. It's not really a new design, since it came out in 1848.

You needn't get a Ruger Old Army to get a loading lever latch.
 
If you want a BP revolver that won't ever break get the ROA.

If you want a good quality replica, get an Uberti.

I wanted both so I have a SS ROA and a Uberti Cimmaron Whitneyville Dragoon.

The Dragoon works well enough (and looks great) but I am having problems with the loading arm dropping during firing, even though it has a latch. :confused:
 
I am having problems with the loading arm dropping during firing, even though it has a latch.

Try a stronger latch spring (assuuming the latch is properly fitted).
 
I don't own one (Instead I have the Uberti .44 Cattleman's Carbine which more than fill's the niche) but every since I saw one of them I have always said (and probably always will say) that the Remington New Model Army .44 caliber Blued Steel Target Model with Adjustable Sights is the nicest looking revolver I have ever seen. It's timeless. It will never go out of style. I'vd never had my hands on one but I truly believe that the balance and handling on that revolver would be damned near unsurpassable. (I'm just saying that I believe it would be to me, maybe not to a lot of people)...Okay...
 
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bigbadgun -

Just an opinion here, but I didn't read any slander of Ubertis or Piettas in Mike101's posts. Nowhere in his posts did he say they were poorly made or unreliable or junk guns; in fact, he didn't say anything disparaging about them at all. I think he reacted to another person's 'slander' of the ROA as underpowered.
 
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I personally own two stainless ROA's, and both were gifts. Both are 7.5" barrels, with adj. sights...One has pearl grips, and will shoot exellent at 20 yds. My freind won at Freindship with the same gun. The other has an oversize set of grip panels, also Ruger, which I'm guessing are for a super blackhawk. Ive owned alot of replica pistols, and none have compared to the Rugers quality. I have bored the cylinder out on the later ROA, and with a 225 full wadcutter design, stoked to the gunwhales with H777, I'll put'r up against any dragoon yee got:what::eek::evil:
 
They stopped making the ROA?! Well, can you imagine that? Must have been because in spite of all it's weight and price and being touted the way it was, up against something like the Walker it just couldn't get the job done. Hehehehe!!!!!
Whooo!!.. Well, I'vd shot 50 grains twice, and I'vd shot 48 grains maybe,..I don't know, but a whole lot, and I'vd never had the lever fall on my Walker. (Dosen't mean it won't fall the next time I shoot it but it hasn't yet)
I don't tell lies and I think some of ya'll might need to check some of my earlier posts. They're scattered all over here on different blackpowder threads. I know the ROA, and I know it real good, along with lot's of other Sturm and Ruger firearms...WHAT?! You mean Sturm is dead to? Huh, did he die about the same time that ROA died? Oh My God!
Me and about 25 other people spent all day at a Marine Corps base (I was already retired from same) firing at Able Dog targets all day long out to two hundred yards. I fired the ROA back and forth about all day but I declined to shoot the .44 Walker with a full charge. Just didn't feel up to it and didn't feel like a broken wrist or having my arm jerked out of the shoulder socket, but that's when I decided I probably wanted to own the Walker. I know what that ROA will do at 100 yards (which sure as hell ain't too much) and I know what that Walker will still be doing at 200 yards with plenty to spare because I stood right there and watched it happen over twelve times. (To be honest that was many years ago and I honestly don't remember if the lever ever fell with him or if he might have had a rubber band or something looped over the barrel)... Buy every damn ROA left on the freaking market if that's what you want. (That's your right and even though I may not sound like it right now, I am sorry to see it pass. Not that I give a hoot about the Ruger firearm company, but because I know there are lot's of shooters who love the gun) But don't be telling me about how strong it is and about how accurate it is past 75 meters 'cause I ain't going for it. For it's price, coupled with the fact that it was developed and advertised and placed on the market by one of the most renowned gun makers of our time and of our country, that ROA amount's to one of the biggest rip offs that's ever been foisted off on the American buying public. (which is probably one reason there are always so many used and second hand models for sale all over the country) Now, By God, I said all of this post and I typed all of this post and I ain't backing up on one damn word...44WalkerSabot...
 
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mykeal I know mike101 had not slandered them but it was getting close lol
the topic of Rugers over Uberti and Pietta is and always well be a heated debate. The fact is that there are people that really like the Ruger and those that really like the Colts and Remmies. ( Like Ford vs. Chevy) And anybody can find faults with either and anybody can find good in either its just the way it is. Again I hate to see Ruger discontinue the ROA, maybe they have something up there sleave.
As far as clunkers yup there are clunkers out there of EVERY make and model gun that has ever been made ,(i bet even the Ruger ROA).
OK I am done did not mean to offend anybody just makeing my opinion known.
Opinions are like noses everybody has one.
 
I don't know why the demise of any gun would cause pro-gunners to be happy, even joyous. I just don't get it. This is stuff that the Brady Bunch loves.

As far as the ROA being "one of the biggest rip offs that's ever been foisted off on the American buying public..." Again, I just don't get it.

My dog's bigger than your dog...
 
If you have been paying MSRP for any gun, you are getting ripped off. The ROA quality far surpasses the Italian replicas. I have both so I am not biased.
 
I just wanted to say that just about everyone on this thread is behaving like a gentleman and ignoring the taunts of the one individual that isn't.

Good Job gentlemen.
 
I am a gentleman. You just haven't read enough of my posts, and I don't really taunt anyone. Not my nature. Just do a little bit of good natured picking.
But, I know what I know and I don't like it when people try to exaggerate and tell me stuff that I KNOW is just not right. There are lies and then there are stupid lies. Those are the kind's of people that would send me and my horse 25 miles in the wrong direction to a dry waterhole.
I like this site and I appreciate it and just about all the people I'vd met on here, and believe you me I'vd met some good ones. Bigbadgun, Roswell 1847, MyKeal, Pohill, Pancho, and the list goes on.
I thought I would have to give up the site this coming June or July. That's when I will be going back to Wyoming. Done told all my family members I'll probably never make it back down to Alabama anymore. Not my kind of place or my kind of people..But, I have been burning up the phone line between here and Wyoming the last couple of days. I'vd got it worked out. I'm way back in there but as soon as I get there, I will give the power company down in Laramie a 'street address' that I just got from the county. It's not a real address but it's some numbers they had to have, and sign a work order and in 7 to 10 days they will have a power pole set in place for me with electric power. Then I will call the phone company and they will come out right away and fix me up with a 'pack', consisting of telephone, satelite tv and high speed internet. Everything is pretty cheap to. (the wonders of modern technology! won't miracles never cease?!) So, I guess ya'll are stuck with me...Okay...
 
OK. You can fire a full charge in a Walker without dislocating your shoulder. Seriously. It hardly kicks at all. I had one about twenty years ago. It was a Navy Arms. Not sure who actually made it.

As far as power, no the ROA doesn't hold as much powder as a Walker. But, with a full load of 777, people are getiing 1100 fps, give or take. Not too shabby.

And considering that a Cimarron (dressed up Uberti) Walker or Dragoon are going for close to 400 bucks, I don't think the Ruger is over priced, because you can get them for $450 or so. Gunsamerica always has a bunch of them. There's no need to pay list for one.

On a happy, but not Blackpowder related note, Ruger just reintroduced the Redhawk in .45 Colt. They had discontinued it after the 2005 run. I want one.
 
Mike101, the Redhawk is a fine revolver. It really is. As you know, the grips are not 'plowhandle' as in a single action and therefore dosen't roll back in your hand. So instead of rolling back in the hand the .44 Magnum Redhawk kicked back into my palm and web of my hand. (hard) But I was firing some hot loaded Federals to. Well, all of that was a long time ago anyway.
I'm glad to hear he is making it in the .45 'Long Colt'. You can just bet that is going to be a very popular handgun. You'll see a lot of people trying to get their hands on one and I bet there are some good reports on the feedback line to. If you get your hands on one and give it a workout, it would be nice if you would post your dope on the site here. I bet there'd be a lot of people who would appreciate seeing it, including me although I don't mess with anything but blackpowder anymore for years and years, but every time somebody says "Ruger's got a new gun" my ears perk up...Okay...
 
So, I guess ya'll are stuck with me...Okay...

You are one colorful character, Mr. .44walkersabot. I'll bet you're a riot at a party or around a campfire. Nothing wrong with passion - keeps the heart pumping. Keep up the good responses. But, if you keep making fun of my ROA, you gotta deal with my sisters.

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I don't know why the demise of any gun would cause pro-gunners to be happy, even joyous. I just don't get it. This is stuff that the Brady Bunch loves.

As far as the ROA being "one of the biggest rip offs that's ever been foisted off on the American buying public..." Again, I just don't get it.

My dog's bigger than your dog...

Amen....some people can't see the forrest because of the trees.

Sad day indeed....let's just hope Ruger has something up their sleeve.
 
Sakohunter, I say this while being very mindful of Mr. Pohill's battleaxes with their Spencer's or Springfield's or what ever the hell it is they're carrying there. Ruger does have something up his sleeve. It's called the Ruger .45 caliber Redhawk. Might have Sturm's name on it to. I think, if memory serve's me correctly, about all of his Redhawks were started as a tribute to his dead partner. (I think) Likewise the Blackhawks were started in honor of his dead partner. (I think)
Well, in regards to the extremely high level of sarcasm you attempted to achieve (and failed) with the quoting of certain remarks I shall response only by reminding you that Henry Ford has a lot of cars on the road but that sure as hell dosen't mean all of them run the way they're supposed to, or are worth a damn on the bottom line, or that some particular model caught on with the public the way Ford Motor Company hoped it would. When a certain model and/or type of anything dosen't sell very well (irregardless of the fact that a certain segment of the population likes it) then you dis-continue it and try something else. I can't see how come someone has to be a rocket scientist to figure that out. Law of supply and demand..
Pohill, you tell those damned professional killers of yours to stand at ease there!!...Okay...
 
Hi "44Walker..."...

You might really like the look and feel of the Uberti replica of the 1875 Remington. It's a cartridge gun and mine happens to be in the (now-discontinued) 38Spec./.357 Mag. but they still make 'em in .45LC in both 5.5" and 7.5" models.

Take a look...

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