If you're looking for a 9mm. carbine, don't neglect the Hi-Point... People are very rude about Hi-Points, but I've never yet shot one that wasn't 100% reliable and perfectly acceptable as far as accuracy was concerned. Also, they're dirt cheap - typically under $200, including sales tax, where I am. A very worthwhile gun, and a great bargain! Sure, they look crummy, but don't judge a book by its cover. You can get them with iron sights or with a Weaver-style rail and cheap red-dot sight.