Ruger's New 44SPL GP100--Got One!

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usbp379,

i have a ruger blackhawk 357 magnum, made in 1973, that i picked up used a while ago. it was not accurate. i eventually found out that the cylinder throats varied from .356 inches to .358 inches (the chambers were similarly varied as the fired case of the largest would not fit in four of the other chambers). i called ruger about the problem. they told me to send the revolver to them. i got it back with a brand new cylinder with uniformly .357 inch charge holes. it is now one of my most accurate revolvers.

i hope you get your problem resolved. ruger should not be blamed for this one.

murf
 
Did you get that from your BUBBA 101 locksmith/blacksmith/gunsmith book???
No, I got the loading data from Hodgdon, tested the loads in several different Rugers for accuracy and penetration in SIMTEST and then proceeded to use them on game.


You words not mine.
If the forcing cone is designed for jacketed bullets, then one might assume that they do not do well with cast. :confused:


Na, I send the cylinder in to get re-cut/honed. You send the cylinder in to get 5 chambers cut/honed.
You refer to chambers as "cylinders" all through this and other threads. Your words, not mine.


For some odd reason when I do a search on barrel threads constriction either ruger or shotguns come up. Heck ruger made the top of the heap from the ruger forum no less!!!
Sorry but this is not exclusive to Ruger. Remember when S&W went from pinning barrels to crush-fit threads?


See there that $1.99 you spent for that bubba 101 book paid off. Perhaps you could buy ruger a copy. This gp100 was sent back 3 times for alignment issues. After the 3rd time the owner sold it.
We'r enot even talking about the same thing. You're talking about how the crane is fitted to the frame. Newsflash, they are not fitted! This is a cost-cutting measure because it has no effect on how the gun shoots. I'm talking about chamber/bore alignment. 99.99% of the time, when someone refers to alignment in revolvers, that's what they mean. What book did you get that from? Was it right before the chapter on twist rate and "cylinders"?


There's none so blind as those who will not see
Indeed.
 
All this Ruger bashing with no firm evidence. Someone posts a few pictures of unclean target holes, calls it "tumbling"? You've got to be kidding me.
 
I hate to say this, but the issues shown are exactly what pushed me away from Ruger DA revolvers a few years ago. Pisspoor accuracy from a oversize bore was one thing, visible flaws in the second gun and chattered rifling was the final 2 nails in that coffin, especially when Ruger basically didn't want to look at the guns when I explained the issues. My gun shop took care of me, Ruger didnt. I have found the gp100 to be a beautiful curse as it is strong enough for the gun to last forever, and those issues to continue to underwhelm forever. I hope that this one breaks in and does well in the long run, but as interesting as it is I still can't force myself to be interested in any Ruger DA revolver. My issues were in .357, apparently their issues cross over to other calibers as well.


I'm surprised that Ruger didn't take care of you. Pretty much everything I've heard (and personal experience with customer service) has been positive.
 
All this Ruger bashing with no firm evidence. Someone posts a few pictures of unclean target holes, calls it "tumbling"? You've got to be kidding me.
If someone posts pictures of randomly out of round bullet holes in a paper target backed up with a cardboard backer, you can call it tumbling, or keyholing, or Judy if you like, but you really can't call it "bashing.". That's basically telling the guy he should be happy with the performance of this gun.

If it was mine, printing those groups and that habit of keyholing, it wouldn't have made it a third this long before it was going back to the motherhship.

If Ruger made the gun, it's Ruger's issue to deal with. If they explain it away and refuse to rectify it, they deserve as much "bashing" as an owner feels justified in heaping on them.

Remember, not all negative criticism is unwarranted.


And I'd like to thank Forrest r for a few pretty informative posts. The bullet hole analysis is taking things a lot farther than I've ever found necessary, but it is food for thought.

If we can keep the personal acrimony out of this, we all can learn from each other. Especially if we don't agree! But disagree as thoughtful students, not hide-bound experts.
 
I'm surprised that Ruger didn't take care of you. Pretty much everything I've heard (and personal experience with customer service) has been positive.
They acted like since I got the guns as 2nd hand new in the box that they didn't want to fool with it. This was 2008ish timeframe and they supposedly were outsourcing their barrels. I gave them basic info and they acted like no matter what was found that the guns would be deemed "within spec" and returned at my expense. My dealer said he would take care of the first one as he knew Ruger would make it right. The replacement he had on hand had the chattered barrel, and he took it back as well. That was a cheap lesson on inspection at time of delivery. I never heard what Ruger did, but that shop owner still speaks highly of Ruger so I assume they fixed them both. 2 for 2 is terrible luck though, and I know my experience was far from normal, but it left a bad taste that I can't shake. I do believe I would like a GP or SP gun but after those two I just can't force myself to try them. I keep looking at the .327 SP 101 though so I may end up giving it a try.
 
All this Ruger bashing with no firm evidence. Someone posts a few pictures of unclean target holes, calls it "tumbling"? You've got to be kidding me.

Some people play checkers, some people play chess.
Some people sent their firearms to places like clark customs, they do cylinder work on revolver and chamber work on semi-auto's
http://clarkcustomguns.com/
The people that send the revolvers in to have chamber work done on their revolvers typically have 5 chambers worked on for accuracy testing. It doesn't matter if it's a 5-shot/6-shot/7-shot/8-shot/10-shot revolver. Only 5 chambers need to be worked on so they can do 5-shot accuracy tests. It's sorta like the people that take their v-8's in and have 6 cylinders pressure tested. They not only save money because it's quicker to test 6 cylinders than it is to test 8 cylinders. Testing 6 cylinders told them everything they needed to know.
Some people look at pictures and see holes. For some odd reason I looked at a picture to op posted and saw egged shaped holes. Others saw holes made from rn/fn jacketed bullets.

Posters thought it was unfair of me to post pics of holes left in the paper from wc's. Myself I like using wc's because the holes they leave are easier to read when it pertains to bullet stability.

I got an idear, I'll post some holes in paper of bullets that are either rn of fn bullets that have no shoulders. From what I'm reading factory rn/fn's should leave ugly bullet holes that are out of round, smear marks in the same position in the hole and tear the paper instead of cutting it.

Some people play checkers, some people play chess.
Some people buy jacketed bullets, some people make their own jacketed bullets.
Some people test what the factory gives them for jacketed bullets, some people make their own jacketed bullets testing bullet diameter/core alloy/bonded vs pressed cores, hp shapes, hp depths, hp pleats, length of the hp notches, etc.

Typically the people that buy their bullets tend to see holes in the paper. The only time they get concerned is when the bullets hit sideways.
Typically the people that make their own bullets tend to take a look at the shapes of the holes the bullets left in the paper.
People that buy their bullets look at these

People that make their own bullets take to take a closer look. A 6r rn bullet and the bullet holes they make.


Odd, a rn bullet, actually a very long rn (6r) that cuts a clean hole???
People that buy their bullets tend to look at the groups on a target. People that make their own bullets not only look at the groups, they look at the holes the bullets left in the paper.


More holes in paper.


Those were holes left from these bullets.


Odd, no wc/swc they are nothing more than a fn bullet that is home made using nothing more than a 380acp case for a jacket and a 32cal hbwc for a core.

Or how about these bullets, they are not a wc or a swc by any means.


Those bullets cut these holes


How about some pointy jacketed bullets that were home made for the 45acp


Odd, more round holes in the paper.


Some people play checkers some people play chess.
Some people buy bullets some people have made enough of there own to see what the different affects from the bullets diameter/core/construction look like on paper
The people that don't know tend to say there's nothing wrong and only see holes and groups.
The people that do know tend to point out they see something they shouldn't be seeing.

Who's write/wrong??
The guy that says nothings wrong or the guy that says you might want to look at this.

Well, the firearm isn't getting sent back because of " no firm evidence".
Some people play checkers some people play chess.
Some people can't read a target, other can.
Some can not see a problem others can not.

Which do you think stands a better chance of seeing something wrong on a target.?
A guy that buys his own bullets for 30 years.
A guy that had made his own bullets for 30 years.
 
I agree with Sam that there's lots of food for thought in this thread, but we've really drifted from the original topic of the thread, which was a report on USBP379's new (and new-to-Ruger) revolver. So after 5 pages, I think we can wrap this one up.
 
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