Rush show comment-- why didn't they rush him...
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Havegunjoe
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I heard it too.....
Rush's reply was almost like, "are you kidding". I know what the caller meant though. If the killer is lining you up against the wall maybe it is time to do something other than wait for the cops to arrive? But, when you think about it, who has been teaching our youth what to do all their lives? The liberal academics who think defending yourself with a gun is terrible. As a result we have "Gun Free" zones for protection instead.
Rush's reply was almost like, "are you kidding". I know what the caller meant though. If the killer is lining you up against the wall maybe it is time to do something other than wait for the cops to arrive? But, when you think about it, who has been teaching our youth what to do all their lives? The liberal academics who think defending yourself with a gun is terrible. As a result we have "Gun Free" zones for protection instead.
I agree completely, Joe.
I just found that flip-statement to carry with it another message.
As my mother told me yesterday..... One CCW in that room would have saved a lot of lives. I am so glad she came up with that conclusion on her own. I'm the activist of the family. She's the common sense.
John
I just found that flip-statement to carry with it another message.
As my mother told me yesterday..... One CCW in that room would have saved a lot of lives. I am so glad she came up with that conclusion on her own. I'm the activist of the family. She's the common sense.
John
eric.cartman
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yep, heard that too...
i only pray i will have the courage to do that if need be... after all, my employer disarms me for 8 hours a day
i only pray i will have the courage to do that if need be... after all, my employer disarms me for 8 hours a day
RNB65
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If the killer is lining you up against the wall, then rushing him may well be the best tactic. But in the VT situation, no one was being lined up against any walls. The shooter just walked into classrooms and opened fire. People were too busy diving for cover to even think about trying to rush him. It would have been nice if someone had charged in and jumped him from behind, but that didn't happen either.
Here's a story:
My boss was in line, waiting to go through the security check at a European airport. The line was about 30 people long, and he was about four back. Two couples about 20 somethings, Western European, walked over and got in line in front of him, never looking at the line or acknowledging it even existed. Everybody behind looked at each other, but didn't say or do anything.
My boss, who is about 60, and looks rather "bookish", took the bull by the horns and said, "I believe you need to get into the back of the line, we were all here first." The two guys looked at him and smirked, and the women looked at each other and started to giggle, and then went back to talking.
Then, a person or two back, a tall athletic African American guy, about mid 20's said in a booming confrontational voice "He said you all need to go to the back of the line." and got out of line, walking up to them and pointing to it. Several other people joined in, pointing to the back of the line, telling them "back there", and one older woman saying "What's wrong with you!?" to the two women.
Well, the two guys lost their smirk, and I bet their manhoods shrunk four inches at least. The women put on an affronted look but refused to make eye contact as they made their way to the end of the line.
The tall guy said, "I figured if anyone else said anything, I was going to back them up, but I didn't know how people would react if I said something first." Another couple said, "We get so tired of seeing rude behavior like that, that when you said something, we thought it was time for us to say something too, to stick up for you sticking up for us."
Moral of the story, someone has to be the first to react. If you were in the classroom and threw a textbook while yelling "throw something!", someone else might copycat and throw his book. Then someone pitches her laptop, and the ROTC guy throws a couple of chairs, and the jocks start pitching desks and tables. With any luck, he gets his bell rung, and a hog pile ensues.
If however, you get in line against the wall, you reinforce that plan of action....
My boss was in line, waiting to go through the security check at a European airport. The line was about 30 people long, and he was about four back. Two couples about 20 somethings, Western European, walked over and got in line in front of him, never looking at the line or acknowledging it even existed. Everybody behind looked at each other, but didn't say or do anything.
My boss, who is about 60, and looks rather "bookish", took the bull by the horns and said, "I believe you need to get into the back of the line, we were all here first." The two guys looked at him and smirked, and the women looked at each other and started to giggle, and then went back to talking.
Then, a person or two back, a tall athletic African American guy, about mid 20's said in a booming confrontational voice "He said you all need to go to the back of the line." and got out of line, walking up to them and pointing to it. Several other people joined in, pointing to the back of the line, telling them "back there", and one older woman saying "What's wrong with you!?" to the two women.
Well, the two guys lost their smirk, and I bet their manhoods shrunk four inches at least. The women put on an affronted look but refused to make eye contact as they made their way to the end of the line.
The tall guy said, "I figured if anyone else said anything, I was going to back them up, but I didn't know how people would react if I said something first." Another couple said, "We get so tired of seeing rude behavior like that, that when you said something, we thought it was time for us to say something too, to stick up for you sticking up for us."
Moral of the story, someone has to be the first to react. If you were in the classroom and threw a textbook while yelling "throw something!", someone else might copycat and throw his book. Then someone pitches her laptop, and the ROTC guy throws a couple of chairs, and the jocks start pitching desks and tables. With any luck, he gets his bell rung, and a hog pile ensues.
If however, you get in line against the wall, you reinforce that plan of action....
tydephan
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Bowfin,
I agree with your entire post.
But the quote above needs to stop. We know no details and it seems, by all witness accounts thus far, that no one was lined up against a wall and shot "execution" style.
Yet we continue to repeat this rhetoric. It is a rumor that seems to be debunked more and more as the hours pass.
Just a thought. No flame intended, as you are not the only one that has used this statement.
Cliff47
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What was needed yesterday was one armed individual, with the will to squeeze the trigger and take another person's life. We know the shooter was more than willing to do that, my question is: Are you? I pray that I may never have to answer that question, but I own and practice every chance I get.
tydephan
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Bowfin,
Your comments are absolutely correct. There are power in numbers for sure. Look at United Airlines Flight 93 on September 11, 2001. It was originally someONE'S idea to confront the highjackers. Before it was over, there were several average citizens that had joined together to fight the highjackers.
As numbers increase, so does morale, for the probability of a successful outcome is increased.
Your comments are absolutely correct. There are power in numbers for sure. Look at United Airlines Flight 93 on September 11, 2001. It was originally someONE'S idea to confront the highjackers. Before it was over, there were several average citizens that had joined together to fight the highjackers.
As numbers increase, so does morale, for the probability of a successful outcome is increased.
deltacharlie
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Personally, I'd rather die trying, but I'm all kinds of stupid.
However, I just heard a suggestion on the local radio that was NOT stupid. A caller suggested that colleges (take it upon themselves) to have undercover cop(s) attending classes much in the same way that Sky Marshal fly airplanes...you never know which flight has the armed Sky Marshal on it.
That way the next psycho (like the scumbag down there in VT) who tries this sort of murdering spree, will be stopped by a plainclothes police officer, the sheepdog amidst the sheep.
However, I just heard a suggestion on the local radio that was NOT stupid. A caller suggested that colleges (take it upon themselves) to have undercover cop(s) attending classes much in the same way that Sky Marshal fly airplanes...you never know which flight has the armed Sky Marshal on it.
That way the next psycho (like the scumbag down there in VT) who tries this sort of murdering spree, will be stopped by a plainclothes police officer, the sheepdog amidst the sheep.
El Tejon
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And the students would not who these individuals are?
Why is the answer always "more government"?
What is needed is to allow people exercise their right to defend themselves. Mommy government cannot be everywhere and frankly I do not want them everywhere.
Why is the answer always "more government"?
What is needed is to allow people exercise their right to defend themselves. Mommy government cannot be everywhere and frankly I do not want them everywhere.
Heavy Metal Hero
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An unneeded and ineffective expense. Just allow those who can carry anywhere else to carry in school. Am I more dangerous in school with a gun than I am at Walmart, church, or a park? I think not.
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And tell me, how do these undercover cops participate in classroom discussions? I mean, one of the classes was a German class. Are we expecting campus cops who can speak German, discuss quantum mechanics, and participate in group exercises analyzing Kierkegaard? Wouldn't other student become suspicious when they never took quizes, turned in papers, or skipped class?
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RNB65
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College communities tend to also be popular retirement communities. I'm sure most colleges could put together an armed volunteer security force of retired LEO's and military personnel to increase campus safety. Won't prevent a shooting from happening, but might bring it to a quicker end.
It seems a similar thing happened on a train not too many years back. A killer boarded a train, started shooting people, stopped to reload and continued killing. Nobody did anything then, other than sit there hoping the killer wouldn't notice them or would run out of ammo before he got to them. Is it truly part of our nature to act like cattle being led to slaughter?
Daniel T
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Well, it certainly is in our nature to second guess anything and everything. Please read the quote I posted above and then tell me what you would have done in the same situation.
Lupinus
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I take a certian numbers look at it.
He has a gun that holds 15 rounds (give or take I don't know what he used) and he has reloads. There are more then fifteen of us and even in the event he manages to kill 15 while we rush him thats still less then are going to die when he walks down the line popping each of us in the head while we stand there and let him reload. Plus frankly, while you have to know when to stand down to fight another day you also have to know when to fight. And being lined up agianst a wall to be executed sure as hell aint stand down time.
He has a gun that holds 15 rounds (give or take I don't know what he used) and he has reloads. There are more then fifteen of us and even in the event he manages to kill 15 while we rush him thats still less then are going to die when he walks down the line popping each of us in the head while we stand there and let him reload. Plus frankly, while you have to know when to stand down to fight another day you also have to know when to fight. And being lined up agianst a wall to be executed sure as hell aint stand down time.
Okay, to reiterate another poster, it sounds like the whole "lined up to be executed" thing didn't happen. So quit saying it. All it does is malign the dead and the survivors.
It sounds more like the first warning was when you're sitting at your desk, and all of a sudden there are loud noises and people around you dieing. And odds are, the bad guy shot the closest first.
I know everyone on the internet is heroic, brave, well trained, and good looking, but this armchair quarterbacking has got to stop.
It sounds more like the first warning was when you're sitting at your desk, and all of a sudden there are loud noises and people around you dieing. And odds are, the bad guy shot the closest first.
I know everyone on the internet is heroic, brave, well trained, and good looking, but this armchair quarterbacking has got to stop.
Joe Demko
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Read The Naked Ape. It is wired into primates to be submissive when subject to displays of aggression. In something like a gorilla troupe, this is desirable because it drastically limits how much actual physical combat occurs within the troupe. It backfires on us as humans, because we often do it even when the submission won't end the aggression.
This is nothing new historically. It isn't a result of indoctrination by The State or Pussification or anything other than biology.
This is nothing new historically. It isn't a result of indoctrination by The State or Pussification or anything other than biology.
DC-Loudsound
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"allow people exercise their right to defend themselves"
+1 El Tejon .... well said.
+1 El Tejon .... well said.
gotarheels03
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I'm not going to pass judgement on ANYONE in the situation these kids were in. I'd like to think that if I was put in a similar situation I'd do something proactive. I'd hope that if I'd just seen him murder people right next to me I'd think "i'm not going out like that" and I'd come at him with whatever weapon I had. I always have my Benchmade on me despite what University policy says. Its ambiguous and totally contradictory, so I ignore that part.
Thats another thing. I think 5-6 people with pocket knives could have taken him out had they rushed him at an opportune time. Then again, I wasn't there, I don't know the situation etc.
Thats another thing. I think 5-6 people with pocket knives could have taken him out had they rushed him at an opportune time. Then again, I wasn't there, I don't know the situation etc.
I think Rush Limbaugh has nothing to add
to this discussion. I personally have no idea what I would or wouldn't have done, and no interest in casting aspersions on those who were there on the ground ---Rush often second guesses the motives of nearly everyone, which I find irritating. Somehow, looking at the fine physical specimen that Rush is, I cannot imagine him overwhelming anyone...come to think of it, he is doing what he is perfectly suited for, second-guessing people who had to make terrible decisions. It is ignoble to do that, it is actually despicable.
Yep, I misread the first post, the caller suggested rushing the attacker, not Rush, but I don't care, Rush is simply a popular blabbering wacko...just don't confuse me with facts, I've made up my mind :>) ---
to this discussion. I personally have no idea what I would or wouldn't have done, and no interest in casting aspersions on those who were there on the ground ---Rush often second guesses the motives of nearly everyone, which I find irritating. Somehow, looking at the fine physical specimen that Rush is, I cannot imagine him overwhelming anyone...come to think of it, he is doing what he is perfectly suited for, second-guessing people who had to make terrible decisions. It is ignoble to do that, it is actually despicable.
Yep, I misread the first post, the caller suggested rushing the attacker, not Rush, but I don't care, Rush is simply a popular blabbering wacko...just don't confuse me with facts, I've made up my mind :>) ---
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Actually, he spent the show today talking about gun control, and how it was doomed to failure because it disarmed the law abiding and not the criminals. He did not second guess the victims. He criticized the politicians and administrators that disarmed them. The point he was making is that when confronted with evil, you need to be armed, or you are at the disadvantage. His show today was a very cogent, reasoned support of gun rights, making many of the same points that anyone here would have made. And he has a huge audience. I'm sure that a lot of people who never thought about gun rights yesterday are thinking about them today, and realizing why gun control doesn't work. So in that sense, I think he has a lot to add here, whatever you think of his politics.
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