Average Joe
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These days you have to go with what is cheaper . Buy the wolf.
Russian Mfg-Steel case ammo
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wally
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You are in dreamland. You are doing real good to find any non-corrosive brass cased 5.56 ammo for $300/1000, its easy to find the steel cased stuff for $190/1000 if as you say you "search around"
Only for 9mm is this anywhere close to true but still ~$180/1000 for steel cased 9mm vs. ~$220/1000 for brass cased adds up. And the quality difference between the steel case 9mm and the cheap 9mm brass ammo is essentially zero.
Don't believe me, see the Box of Truth: http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/edu6.htm
NMGonzo
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never a problem in .45 , 9mm, or 5.56
W.E.G.
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The zinc-coated 9mm doesn't do well in EVERY gun.
The zinc is really slippery, and tends to peel from the steel in my Hi-Power and S&W 659.
Occasional erratic extraction.
The zinc is really slippery, and tends to peel from the steel in my Hi-Power and S&W 659.
Occasional erratic extraction.
Prince Yamato
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I did my own test recently. Pretty much the same results.
Apocalypse-Now
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no he isn't, he just knows how to bargain shop
if it did come down to those two deals, i would drop the extra $40 on quality american.
Sport45
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Here's an example of some of that "quality American" ammo that is so much better than the Russian stuff.
WARNING! Defective Winchester Ammo!
Cheap ammo is cheap ammo. It may not matter where it was born...
WARNING! Defective Winchester Ammo!
Cheap ammo is cheap ammo. It may not matter where it was born...
Excuse me, but I HAVE "searched around the net a bit"......the average price of xm193 or its plinking equivalent is roughly at least higher than steel cased ammo. I can buy 500 rounds of silver bear for right at $100. If you can find brass cased ammo available at that cost, please, feel free to share. no amount of "searching around the internet a bit" will ever find .225/5.56 brass ammo at .20/rd price point consistently, if ever. If prices for brass and steel were equal, or even comparable, I doubt many people would shoot steel. However, the commonly accepted fact is that steel ammo is typically at least 1/3 cheaper than its brass equivalent...
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It is reliable. I have shot, literally, cases of 9mm and .45 ACP Wolf ammo. I have never had a failure to fire. Like a lot of things.....used to be even cheaper....less than ten cents a round. I couldn't reload it that cheaply.
That applies to some steel cased .22s that I bought years ago - when the Russians started exporting ammo. Very cheap....$109 per 5k rounds.....always works and is accurate.
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Dave, try palmettostatearmory.com
They seem to be out of stock on 9mm handgun in bulk, so their prices aren't listed.
I paid 139 shipped for 420 rds of federal 5.56 on stripper clips with spoon in a .30 cal ammo can.
I can usually find 900+ rounds for around 279 shipped. (I paid this for a case of ATI 5.56)
I can then use the brass (LC) to reload my hunting rounds.
Almost forgot about sportsmansguide.com
selior and belliot is 19 bucks more for 500 rounds over steel case. I've yet to go through all their ammo listing tho.
They seem to be out of stock on 9mm handgun in bulk, so their prices aren't listed.
I paid 139 shipped for 420 rds of federal 5.56 on stripper clips with spoon in a .30 cal ammo can.
I can usually find 900+ rounds for around 279 shipped. (I paid this for a case of ATI 5.56)
I can then use the brass (LC) to reload my hunting rounds.
Almost forgot about sportsmansguide.com
selior and belliot is 19 bucks more for 500 rounds over steel case. I've yet to go through all their ammo listing tho.
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I found one round with crumbled brass out of 250 among grey boxed .38 Winchester Super Match. The rest of the ammo shot splendidly like one would expect out of match grade ammo.Here's an example of some of that "quality American" ammo that is so much better than the Russian stuff.
WARNING! Defective Winchester Ammo!
Cheap ammo is cheap ammo. It may not matter where it was born...
pockets
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Never had a problem with steel-cased, thousands of rounds in various pistols and rifles.
Over the years I have had exactly 2 separate incidents (with the same pistol) of steel cartridges not going off when I pulled the trigger; both times my thumb brushed the slide and it didn't go fully into battery. On each of those, I merely tapped the slide into battery and they then fired just fine.
I love the smell!
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Over the years I have had exactly 2 separate incidents (with the same pistol) of steel cartridges not going off when I pulled the trigger; both times my thumb brushed the slide and it didn't go fully into battery. On each of those, I merely tapped the slide into battery and they then fired just fine.
I love the smell!
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Apocalypse-Now
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FYI, Palmetto State was one of the first sites I checked when before making the statement that theres a significant price difference in steel and brass cased ammo. Nothing on their site begins to approach the sub .25/rd in regards to brass cased .223 or 5.56 ammo
Which comes out to .33 cents a round....hardly exceptional,really, and over 10 cents a round higher than good steel cased ammo.....Steel cased ammo is consistently at least 2/3s cheaper than comparable brass cased loadings. The idea that that theres no saving involved with steel ammo is absolutely false, and the more one shoots, the more the savings become apparent.... We're talking about the difference of 9 dollars per loaded 30 rd mag of brass ammo, compared to 6 dollars to fill a mag up with Silver Bear. Do that a few times in an afternoon, and you've saved enough to cover your gas to the range and back. When tyou can show me brass-cased ammo @ .20-.23 cents a round, I'll likley buy a lot of it.....but sadly, such deals aren't out there on brass-cased 5.56/.223 ammo at this point in time.
Which comes out to .33 cents a round....hardly exceptional,really, and over 10 cents a round higher than good steel cased ammo.....Steel cased ammo is consistently at least 2/3s cheaper than comparable brass cased loadings. The idea that that theres no saving involved with steel ammo is absolutely false, and the more one shoots, the more the savings become apparent.... We're talking about the difference of 9 dollars per loaded 30 rd mag of brass ammo, compared to 6 dollars to fill a mag up with Silver Bear. Do that a few times in an afternoon, and you've saved enough to cover your gas to the range and back. When tyou can show me brass-cased ammo @ .20-.23 cents a round, I'll likley buy a lot of it.....but sadly, such deals aren't out there on brass-cased 5.56/.223 ammo at this point in time.
Get R Done Guns
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You can find brass case ammo for 5.80 a box. No sales tax and shipping being minimal. Buy a case and price could drop a bit. Might only end up being about .25-.26 cents a round. PMC is what we are talking about. Where to find it? We have NO CLUE!
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