S&W 686-6 plus Half Cock?
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rcmodel
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No, it isn't a safety feature.
The gun is defective.
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The gun is defective.
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I can't say for certain as to your own, however, I can say for certain that out of about two dozen S&W DA revolvers owned, this was the first to exibit such a trait.Dang, I guess I need to ship all of mine back.
Was it just easier to do on that one? Most of mine will do it, some easier than others. On mine the trigger has to be released at just the right point for it to work though.
The S&W Tech. (who I presume knows something) described what he thought the problem was, and instructed Feanor to send the revolver back to them. I expect a pre-paid shipping label will be forthcoming.
I can't think of a single good reason the gun owner shouldn't do what he was told too.
I can't think of a single good reason the gun owner shouldn't do what he was told too.
The S&W Tech. (who I presume knows something) described what he thought the problem was, and instructed Feanor to send the revolver back to them. I expect a pre-paid shipping label will be forthcoming.
I can't think of a single good reason the gun owner shouldn't do what he was told too.
I was questioning why everyone was immediately saying, "the gun is broken send it back," when as described it sounded like a common thing that most Smith & Wesson revolvers do. Can you tell me how it is different than the standard half cock that I can put mine in?
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My 686+ or any other DA I've purchased used didn't do it when I did the revolver checkout prior to buying. Since that is the only time I ever do such a thing with revolvers, I have no idea how common it might be.
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Some of you will notice that your posts have disappeared. This is a technical discussion. It will remain so, because there is something to learn if we can keep it on track.
Save the snark and condescension for the rubber ducky chat rooms.
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Save the snark and condescension for the rubber ducky chat rooms.
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In my personal experience, only this one time, I guess its possible I missed it on others. This revolver was purchased new late last fall from an internet vendor, it was really only fired, and handled once by myself in all that time, this is why I was stroking the action back and forth, just feeling the action a bit. I would say this, the feeling was not like it got hung up, it felt like it was machined to do exactly as it did, if you understand my meaning. There was no sensation of rubbing, or grinding, it just fell into half cock like it was meant to do so.
Oh yeah, S&W was great, they emailed a shipping lable on the spot.The S&W Tech. (who I presume knows something) described what he thought the problem was, and instructed Feanor to send the revolver back to them. I expect a pre-paid shipping label will be forthcoming.
I can't think of a single good reason the gun owner shouldn't do what he was told too.
I would say that's normal for a Smith & Wesson trigger. My 629 drops in to half cock just as you describe. The 625 takes some effort to get lined up, and some of my others will just slip off. Here are four different Smiths in half cock. Personally I don't consider them to be broken as they work perfectly in both double and single action.
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Not really. Smith & Wesson hand ejector revolvers don't have a half-cock position or notch. What one can do is unnaturally manipulate the hammer and trigger so that the bottom of the sear comes to rest on a ledge on the trigger. This practice can risk battering the tip of the sear, and then you will have a problem.
If the revolver is correctly fitted the trigger will depress the sear, and not catch it when the hammer falls to the full forward position and the trigger is subsequently allowed to rotate forward after being pulled. If anyone disagrees they can call S&W themselves, or re-read post number 24 and see what they told Feanor.
If the revolver is correctly fitted the trigger will depress the sear, and not catch it when the hammer falls to the full forward position and the trigger is subsequently allowed to rotate forward after being pulled. If anyone disagrees they can call S&W themselves, or re-read post number 24 and see what they told Feanor.
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Certaindeaf
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Well at least we got that all figured out.
1911Tuner
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Just FWIW...I've had a couple of Smith & Wessons that I could manipulate into doing this trick by stopping and starting the hammer and trigger until it caught. It never interfered with normal operation, and on the rare occasions that I lower a revolver hammer, I always keep the trigger held full rearward until the hammer is down...strictly observing the safe direction mandate, of course...and I let the hammer move slowwwww and easy.
And, no. They don't have a half cock position.
And, no. They don't have a half cock position.
Old Fuff said:
1911Tuner said:
Well, we've come full circle, it seems.
This is precisely the point I've been trying to make. But since it requires an "unnatural manipulation" to "half-cock", I don't see that it means there's anything wrong with the gun, or that it's mis-fitted, especially if it works well otherwise.FWIW, I can jam my 3" M65, but there's not a thing wrong with the gun. In fact, it's got the smoothest factory action I've ever felt. It locks up tight and is accurate to boot. It remains bone stock because there's nothing that needs improving or "fixing".
1911Tuner
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It would seem, yes.
Glad to help.
That's the way I saw it. Figgered that was what you were drivin' at.
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You've sure got a fine passel of handguns there. Woot!I would say that's normal for a Smith & Wesson trigger. My 629 drops in to half cock just as you describe. The 625 takes some effort to get lined up, and some of my others will just slip off. Here are four different Smiths in half cock. Personally I don't consider them to be broken as they work perfectly in both double and single action.
You may or may not be right, but the gun manufacturer isn't sure and wants to check it out. Since they're may be a problem with the sear why not send the revolver in so what is or isn't can be absolutely determined and not left up to speculation?
And in the process get the gun checked out to insure that they're not other issues that at this point are undetected?
And get all of this service on their dime...
Also if anyone is foolish enough to set up the hammer so the sear is resting on the trigger, and for whatever reason the hammer spur is hit a hard blow, that person may find themselves with a substantial repair bill that isn't covered by any warrantee.
If this thread has exposed the non-existent half-cock position in hand-ejector revolvers (to include Colt, Ruger and Taurus, as well as S&W) it's more then worth it.
The Old Fuff will now move on.
Old Fuff said:
Well, sure. I came around and agreed it ought to be sent in. Since I haven't personally inspected the gun, either, I admit I'm speculating. But I wanted to point out that while some S&Ws can go into "half-cock" by "unnatural manipulation", it isn't good for the gun, nor that anything is automatically wrong with it. It's good Feanor's gun is going in, though.
skeeziks said:
Pictures would help greatly, so lemme follow up with some later today.
Why thank you.
au_prospector
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Tried several times to see if my 586 no dash would preform this way and it did not. Cant teach an old dog new tricks I guess. I sometimes felt a little resistance of hang up, but couldnt get it to catch and hold. For those owners whose revolvers have learned this trick, does the cylinder turn whilst the hammer is hung up?
I got home & opened up a 625 to show the innards. This particular gun won't half-cock easily, but here I show that it can half-cock by getting the SA sear caught on the trigger cam. As you can see, the fit between the hammer nose and the trigger nose slot is tight, so, as Old Fuff suggested, if the DA sear is a wee bit long, the gun can also "half-cock" by getting the hammer & trigger noses "just so".
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