GrandmasterB
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If you had a chance to pick up a S&W 99 in .40 S&W for $300, or a Gen 2 Glock 22 for $325, which would you get and why? Both would come with 2 mags.
S&W 99 vs Glock 22
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REAPER4206969
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Glock 22, no contest.
It doesn't even need an explanation.
It doesn't even need an explanation.
AZ Hawkeye
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Agreed. I'd pick that G22 up in a heartbeat.
Apocalypse-Now
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g22.
Scimmia
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SW99. I'm not a fan of the Glock trigger system, I prefer a DA/SA setup.
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SW99!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Taurus_9mm
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The G22.
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SW99 has the 19 degree grip angle found on almost all handguns except Glocks, but it has that funky trigger guard mag release only found on HK & Walther pistols. Glock has a conventional mag release, but has the funky 17 degree grip angle found on almost no other pistol. Pick your poison. I don't even like Glocks, but I'd take the conventional mag release it offers. It'll also be easier to sell if you don't like it.
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Everyone else has a Glock for a reason.
Doxiedad
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Glock 22 without a doubt
AZ Hawkeye
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Truth. ^^
Smaug
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I bet the folks who are voting Glock 22 have never even tried a Walther P99/ S&W SW99. (same gun) It is not a re-worked Sigma, which have tough triggers, by all accounts. It is a P99 with slight cosmetic changes. It is a big difference, but only someone open-minded enough to try it would ever find out.
These are a best buy in used guns these days. That is the great thing about previous generation S&W pistols: they may no longer be stylish, but they are always solid and reliable.
In the case of the SW99 vs. Glock, in my experience, the ergonomics and trigger are FAR superior on the SW99.
These are a best buy in used guns these days. That is the great thing about previous generation S&W pistols: they may no longer be stylish, but they are always solid and reliable.
In the case of the SW99 vs. Glock, in my experience, the ergonomics and trigger are FAR superior on the SW99.
Agree w/Smaug. A SW 99 is superior to any Glock pistol. Not even close.
Same can be said about the P99AS, PPQ, P99C AS and PPS. And yeah I have shot every Glock made and everything Walther has put out since the end of WWII.
How many of you Glock fan boys had any expereince with SW99 or P99AS?
Same can be said about the P99AS, PPQ, P99C AS and PPS. And yeah I have shot every Glock made and everything Walther has put out since the end of WWII.
How many of you Glock fan boys had any expereince with SW99 or P99AS?
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SW99 all the way, but remember the .40 is reported to be flippy.
The AS trigger on the P99 I had was fantastic. The glocks I have shot have zero feedback on their triggers.
Also the AS single action trigger has almost zero reset. You have to try it to understand.
The AS trigger on the P99 I had was fantastic. The glocks I have shot have zero feedback on their triggers.
Also the AS single action trigger has almost zero reset. You have to try it to understand.
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Personally, having already faced that decision some years ago, I went with the SW99. I don't regret the decision ... but ...
That was before S&W helped Walther finally identify the magazine issue which was involved in the premature slide lock occurring with a number of the P99 & SW99 .40's (which resulted in a magazine body and follower design change), and before they started polishing their extractors, so I had to work through the changes and revisions. S&W did make some interesting changes and improvements to their own barrels, too.
On the other hand, at about the same time the G22 was receiving its magazine spring revision so it would function better with weapon-mounted lights, and the magazines and followers were being improved (upgraded, etc).
Glock parts were more easily obtained and cost less, although S&W was very liberal with providing LE armorers with any repair parts at no cost. Walther parts are not exactly inexpensive if bought retail. The sear housing block, in which the ejector is molded, costs about $100 to replace once the Walther 1-year warranty expires if it has to be replaced for a broken ejector. for example.
I carried an issued SW9940 for a few years once they ironed out the minor bugs, and I still have a SW9940 of my own. I've fired many thousands of rounds through SW99's, mostly chambered in .40, although I've fired upwards of 11,000 rounds through my SW999c.
As an armorer and owner of both ... I prefer both guns made in 9mm instead of .40 S&W ... but that's just me.
The 99 design is not quite as easy to repair from the armorer's perspective, perhaps.
A rolled steel pin holds the locking block in place, which in turn holds the slide stop spring in place. The sear housing block can disassemble itself to the extent one of the pins can fall out if it's tipped the wrong way during a detailed disassembly (or when the housing block is shipped separately as a repair part :banghead: ), and a lever & spring can be a bit tricky to reinstall if that happens. The barrel lock spring can be installed incorrectly and damage the edge of the spring hole in the frame, as well as allowing the spring to become kinked. The original rear sight base design could be a bit loose, being held in place only by the ears of the sight base plunger, and those plunger ears were sometimes susceptible to impact damage. There is a potential dimensional variation among the trigger bar guides used in the different models. Little things.
I prefer the grip angle of the 99 series, although the rudimentary grip backstrap inserts weren't nearly as friendly, ergonomically, as later efforts in other guns.
Either gun, if in good condition and normal repair, ought to be fine for its intended purpose, though.
I also have a preference for the original 99 trigger (now called the Anti-Stress), myself, over the Quick Action or the DAO. Then again, I tend to prefer a good traditional double action (DA/SA) trigger design right behind a good single action trigger (1911) in a working pistol. The 99's typically seemed to settle in to a great trigger in that respect as they became "worn in" from use.
I can't speak to what either gun might cost in any other geographical area market.
Luck to you in your decision.
That was before S&W helped Walther finally identify the magazine issue which was involved in the premature slide lock occurring with a number of the P99 & SW99 .40's (which resulted in a magazine body and follower design change), and before they started polishing their extractors, so I had to work through the changes and revisions. S&W did make some interesting changes and improvements to their own barrels, too.
On the other hand, at about the same time the G22 was receiving its magazine spring revision so it would function better with weapon-mounted lights, and the magazines and followers were being improved (upgraded, etc).
Glock parts were more easily obtained and cost less, although S&W was very liberal with providing LE armorers with any repair parts at no cost. Walther parts are not exactly inexpensive if bought retail. The sear housing block, in which the ejector is molded, costs about $100 to replace once the Walther 1-year warranty expires if it has to be replaced for a broken ejector. for example.
I carried an issued SW9940 for a few years once they ironed out the minor bugs, and I still have a SW9940 of my own. I've fired many thousands of rounds through SW99's, mostly chambered in .40, although I've fired upwards of 11,000 rounds through my SW999c.
As an armorer and owner of both ... I prefer both guns made in 9mm instead of .40 S&W ... but that's just me.
The 99 design is not quite as easy to repair from the armorer's perspective, perhaps.
A rolled steel pin holds the locking block in place, which in turn holds the slide stop spring in place. The sear housing block can disassemble itself to the extent one of the pins can fall out if it's tipped the wrong way during a detailed disassembly (or when the housing block is shipped separately as a repair part :banghead: ), and a lever & spring can be a bit tricky to reinstall if that happens. The barrel lock spring can be installed incorrectly and damage the edge of the spring hole in the frame, as well as allowing the spring to become kinked. The original rear sight base design could be a bit loose, being held in place only by the ears of the sight base plunger, and those plunger ears were sometimes susceptible to impact damage. There is a potential dimensional variation among the trigger bar guides used in the different models. Little things.
I prefer the grip angle of the 99 series, although the rudimentary grip backstrap inserts weren't nearly as friendly, ergonomically, as later efforts in other guns.
Either gun, if in good condition and normal repair, ought to be fine for its intended purpose, though.
I also have a preference for the original 99 trigger (now called the Anti-Stress), myself, over the Quick Action or the DAO. Then again, I tend to prefer a good traditional double action (DA/SA) trigger design right behind a good single action trigger (1911) in a working pistol. The 99's typically seemed to settle in to a great trigger in that respect as they became "worn in" from use.
I can't speak to what either gun might cost in any other geographical area market.
Luck to you in your decision.
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AZ Hawkeye
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Blanket statements are always cool, especially when it's a subjective topic...
How many militaries, special forces and law enforcement agencies are using Walther?
How many of them have been torture tested to 100,000 rounds? How many were run over by trucks or soaked in salt water, mud, sand, rain, extreme cold, extreme heat, etc., etc.
If I was so worried about having "perfect" ergonomics, I'd be carrying my HK P30 every day, as the P30's ergonomics are in a league of their own; in my opinion, the P30/HK45 has the greatest ergonomics of any pistol ever made.
Does that make it a "far superior" pistol to the Walther P99? In my opinion, who cares... There are far more law enforcement agencies using the HK P30 than all Walther pistols combined.
You can call us fan boys, or whatever other insult you want, but saying that a Walther (especially most any Walther) is "superior to any Glock pistol" is silly.
Scimmia
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I always laugh when Glock fans boast about how many LE agencies use them. McDonald's sells untold number of hamburgers every day, does that make them any better?
HK Jake
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...And? Does it make them any worse?
Glock bashers are so boring. It's the same old crap all the time, and the best part is there is no real insult you can throw at a Glock because they are a wonderful tool and perform as well or better than any autoloader ever made.
Sure, you can say you don't like the trigger, but it's a subjective argument.
You can say it's ugly (and I'll agree, but I also think XDs and M&Ps are ugly, and this P99 sure is a weird looking gun), but it's a subjective argument.
You can't call it unreliable or complicated, you can't fault their innovation as without Glock, we wouldn't have near the variety of the excellent polymer pistols that we currently have.
The truth is this: Glock pistols are so reliable and so durable, that countless military special forces groups use them. Some "special" American military personnel are given Glock 19's for concealed carry purposes while deployed. The German GSG-9, an elite counter-terrorism and spec-ops unit, carries the Glock 17, which deeply pains me, as they should be carrying an HK!
Comparing Glock handguns to McDonald's cheeseburgers is, well, seriously bro? In every test I've seen performed by federal agencies (yes, they test all options before choosing one), Glock always performs the best, followed by M&P in second.
So, continue with all your empty insults, because there is no possible way you can prove a Walther is a better firearm than a Glock.
Scimmia
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When did I ever say they were worse? All I've said is that I don't like the Glock trigger system and the childish "everyone is doing it" argument is best left to 5 year olds. You can argue reliability, I have no problem with that, but claiming they're better just because everyone uses them is a joke.
HK Jake
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I never said you did, but comparing Glock to McDonald's in the context you presented is construed as an insult.
It always, always, always depends on the reason as to why "everyone is doing it."
Do people buy Toyota vehicles because "everyone is doing it," or because they are usually very reliable?
I would bet it can be one or the other, or a little bit of both. It makes it neither childish nor stupid...
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I'd get the Smith for one reason only: That Glock is a 2gen .40 weapon. That is the model with the most problems with the unsupported chamber --they fixed it in the 3rd gen. models, or at least changed it some. That said, I like my 2gen G17. 9mm doesn't really have that issue.
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