S&W M&P45 vs Glock 21

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Raven Concealment Phantom is a very versatile holster. You can wear it IWB or OWB just by changing the attachments. The design also allows you to change the ride height and cant.

http://www.ravenconcealmentsystems.com/product_info.php?cPath=82_85_92&products_id=1567

There are other manufactures that have copied the Raven design and have a quicker delivery time, but I don't have any experience with them.

The M&P is a very popular pistol. I can't think of a manufacturer that doesn't offer a holster for the M&P. They may not be on the shelves at the local gun store or outdoor store, but you can get anything you want on line.
 
Ben86 said:
I'd like to collect some opinions on these two guns. I am trying to decide on which is going to be my first .45. I have a couple months to decide which one I want, so I'm trying to really make an informed decision on this one.

I'm a big Glock fan, but I've also shot the M&P9C and M&P40C in the past and have a high opinion them. As far as I see it the M&P has better ergos going for it and the Glock has familiarity. I'm stuck and can't seem to decide. I shoot both well, with maybe a slight advantage going to the M&P. Any thoughts or opinions of comparison would be appreciated.
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Given two products of similar performance one being American I would pick domestic one every time. If the foreign product is superior that is another matter.
 
Both the Glock21 and S&W M&P45 are excellent guns. I prefer the ergonomics and trigger of the M&P45. As an added bonus you can shoot lead bullets throught the M&P45. My M&P45 has shot consistent 1.5 to 2 inch tight ten shot groups at 50 ft. with 185gr. lead, plated and jacketed bullets as well as 230 gr. plated and jacketed bullets.
 
Do you have a current favorite for the Glocks you'd like to emulate? Most any holster that fits the G20 or G21 should fit.

MidWayUSA with a search of M&P 45 holster will turn up a good selection or are you looking for others' opinion on what they use that's comfortable/ works well?
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I'd like to get a blade tech or blackhawk kydex paddle holster for starters. I didn't know that G21 holsters mostly fit the m&p45, that's good to know. I welcome any opinions, or recommendations.

Half of me says "Get the M&P it's a better version of the Glock" the other half says "It's impractical, not as much is made for the m&p." You guys are proving that wrong and I appreciate that.
 
Skylerbone wrote,
Do you have a current favorite for the Glocks you'd like to emulate? Most any holster that fits the G20 or G21 should fit.
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I think this must be a misunderstanding on our part, since I don't think you intended to say a holster for a G20/21 will fit an M&P 45. I own neither an M&P 45 or a Glock 20/21, but I'm pretty sure the slide profile is different enough that holsters are not interchangeable between an M&P 45 and a Glock 20/21.

Admittedly I'm talking about a quality kydex (Blade-tech, Comp-tac, Raven, Tucker/Garrett, etc) or leather holster. I'm sure you could jam either pistol into a $20 nylon holster built for one or the other.
 
As others have stated, the M&P ergonomics are the best.
That said, the M&P trigger sucks. After spending $80+ on Apex parts, it was better, but still inferior to the Glock. In recoil, I felt the M&P had more of a "twisting" feel than the others.
After much testing and many loads, the M&P was never as accurate (in my hands) as the Glock, or my 1911 for that matter.
So, I traded the M&P for a nice S&W 681 and never looked back.. End of story..

-My $0.03, YMMV.
 
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JTQ, I said what I meant and meant what I said. Starting with your Comp-Tac and including Hunter, Bianchi and BlackHawk. These will all fit the G20/21 AND the M&P 45 in the SAME MODEL, SAME HOLSTER.

Many kydex holsters fit multiple models of firearm from multiple manufacturers using just one SKU. Whether the OP buys a G21 or an M&P 45 if he wants a Comp-Tac Infidel IWB holster he will be ordering the same one. If he buys both pistols he can carry one till lunch, pull it out and replace it with the other without switching holsters.

In reality, Glock may have broken the mold but they didn't throw away the pieces fast enough 'cause everyone and their brother scooped up the remnants and rebadged them with nearly identical proportions. It may not have been right but then look at revolver design and tell me there are no copycats.

PS I like the triggers on my 3 M&Ps now that they've been worked on (by me) and I have yet to meet a factory Glock that compares to them in present form. In from-the-factory form the M&P is indeed sad.
 
Skylerbone wrote,
JTQ, I said what I meant and meant what I said. Starting with your Comp-Tac and including Hunter, Bianchi and BlackHawk. These will all fit the G20/21 AND the M&P 45 in the SAME MODEL, SAME HOLSTER.
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I am truly surprised the same Comp-tac holster will fit both the M&P and the Glock. I'm less surprise by the "generic" fit of the other three makers.

This is clearly not the case with the Raven holsters. You can see how accurate the molding is around the slide. There is no way a Glock will fit in a Raven holster made for an S&W.
Raven's Glock holster
http://www.ravenconcealmentsystems.com/product_info.php?cPath=82_85_92&products_id=1561

Raven's S&W holster
http://www.ravenconcealmentsystems.com/product_info.php?cPath=82_85_92&products_id=1567

I would certainly check with the holster maker before buying a particular holster to make sure it will fit both pistols.
 
I can't speak to the problems some people claim about their M&Ps but I have two M&Ps. The M&P 9C is my EDC and has fired around 6000 rounds without fail. My M&P 9mm FS has only fired a couple hundred rounds without incident. The trigger on both pistols is just fine and always have been. They are both easiest guns to shoot accurately I've every had. I've handled and shot several Glocks and XDs. Some them had better triggers and some had worse. (I handled a XDm 45 last week that had a REALLY heavy trigger.) Any M&P is better to me than the Glocks with the heavier trigger options. I think most people that complain about the trigger reset are used to 1911s or have some strange motive to bash the M&P or have maybe just bought the hype and believe it. Where is the trigger reset on a Browning HP? What about a revolver? Or Keltecs? Somehow people manage to shoot them just fine. I can feel the trigger reset on both of my M&Ps just fine but I don't feel its that big a factor in shooting it well. Last time I shot my HP I short stroked it a couple times before I adjusted my pull from how I normally shoot my M&P. It has NO discernible reset yet I shoot it very well as do a lot of HP owners. I've never considered the Glock trigger to be the bar where "crisp" triggers are set. Compared to a 1911 NONE of them have great triggers. Compared to each other they are MUCH more similar than different.

BTW a Apex trigger kit may be "en vogue" for the M&Ps but they are NOT necessary by any stretch. (Don't forget a while back everyone was doing home trigger jobs on their Glocks too.) The money is much better spent on ammo than a trigger in my opinion. I have never understood ANYONE doing a trigger job on ANY pistol they haven't shot a few hundred rounds through first. Get used to the trigger first then decide if it needs adjustment for your shooting needs. If the M&Ps trigger is "so bad" its effecting your shooting you may have other issues with your technique that need work and a better trigger is just more forgiving? Just a thought.
 
Well, I went into my local gunshop with the full intention of buying a Glock 21 and after holding one....I just couldn't do it. The Glock 21 felt like a 2x4 in my medium sized hands. I'm a big Glock fan and have/had several 9mm and .40 models but that Glock 21 doesn't feel right to me. The M&P feels like it is made for my hand. So for $519 NIB I went with it.

The trigger is also really nice, I keep reading all this about the M&P45's trigger being heavier than the 9mm and .40, but mine actually feels better than my wife's M&P9C. The take up is not crunchy and the trigger pull feels lighter, and there seems to be less over-travel. Maybe I got one of the improved triggers, I don't know. The minus three in capacity is kind of a bummer, but if I can shoot this gun better it will be a fair trade off.

I went with a Blackhawk serpa holster for an OWB holster, I have a Blackhawk #6 IWB that fits it, but I'm going to find something better for it. This gun has revived my interest in making a full sized gun work for CC.

Thanks for the info everyone.
 
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